FFX Lulu's Hair and Clothes for Glamour, Please?

I would super DUPER love to have these as new aesthetics for the game! I've been pining for her outfit and hair to be introduced in the game for the longest time ever since Tidus and Yuna's outfits were made available! Please, could we have this; it would be sooo nice to have a unique hairstyle and outfit like Lulu's introduced in the game!

Edit: Also, could we have FFX Auron's outfit, hairstyle and closed scar eyed added as a new aesthetic as well, please? If the Lulu outfit cannot be made into a duo gendered outfit, then Auron would be a GREAT substitute for the male players would be sadly left out of all the fun if only the female players got a new and wonderous aesthetic.

Credit for this idea goes to Hestzhyen for thinking up/reminding me of this most GENIUS idea that could be added! ^^


Also, if both of these ideas are ever accepted, could we have both the Lulu and Auron hair aesthetics be made wearable by both genders, please? It would probably cause so much trouble for both FFXIV community and developers of the game if both of these hairstyles were made genderlocked as well if the clothing becomes so since I'm sure many players regardless of their gender in-game would absoulutely LOVE to have the freedom to wear either Auron or Lulu's hairstyles freely! :D

This also includes the closed scar eye aesthetic from Auron, as well. As I'm sure many people would love to have a new facial aesthetic that could set their character(s) further apart from the rest! I know personally I love to wear this look with any of my sword based job classes, including my Warrior one as well! ^^

I'm all for it. Her belt dress would be a huge pain to pull off in this game though.

Only if the guys get Auron's outfit and hair at the same time! (Wakka looked like a dork so forget him.)

I would love lulu's outfit! It's my all time favourite :)

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Originally Posted by Heliantheae

I'm all for it. Her belt dress would be a huge pain to pull off in this game though.

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Could you please explain why? :) Because wouldn't her close just be adjusted to the player character's model like Tidus, Cloud, Yuna, Lightning, Zidane, Firion and Squall's? I can honestly imagine the chest area being a bit of a problem if that's where most of the pain of adjusting the clothing to FFXIV's models comes from.

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Originally Posted by Hestzhyen

Only if the guys get Auron's outfit and hair at the same time! (Wakka looked like a dork so forget him.)

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Oh, of course! I was actually thinking the same thing when I came up with the thought of wanting Lulu's outfit in-game! I LOVED Auron in FFX and would seriously have a heart attack out of joy if not only his hairstyle and clothes were added to the game for males at least, if not females, too, but also his single closed scarred eye! I could REALLY use that scarred eye for my own Miqo'te, to be honest since she has a scar over her's. ^^

Let me edit my first post to add Auron's clothes, hairstyle and scar eye as something we would want added to FFXIV, too!

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Could you please explain why? :) Because wouldn't her close just be adjusted to the player character's model like Tidus, Cloud, Yuna, Lightning, Zidane, Firion and Squall's? I can honestly imagine the chest area being a bit of a problem if that's where most of the pain of adjusting the clothing to FFXIV's models comes from.

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I think it's due to the rendering of the belts – FFXIV is gorgeous but has terrible textures. I remember reading an interview years ago about the issues they had with the dress in X – and it is pretty much just a block in that game.
Lulu is my fave FF character though and it would be great to see it in some form.

Lulu's stuff is gorgeous, I'd definitely like to see it in game. Especially her hair. I imagine they would have to cheat and texture the belts onto a plain skirt with a few cut-out areas to keep the polygon count manageable but it could still work.

I would take Auron's gear as a substitute if we have to do a gender divide (Seymour's could be fun too). Unisex hairs, at least, would be good though for both of them.

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Originally Posted by Ilyrian

I think it's due to the rendering of the belts

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Yeah, Nomura designed the belts to be challenging to render. That's fine in a single player game, but ff xiv has limits to how many polys can be in used in each outfit and real time combat. Not to mention Lulu doesn't really do anything very action-y in ff x and wasn't designed for stuff like dragoon or monk animations.

I have the FFX model viewer and I can explain how complicated Lulu's model was compared to the other playable characters in her own game in order to make her dress work. This is based off everyone's cutscene PS2 models.


Tidus: 217 bones 9749 polys
Yuna: 225 bones 9432 polys
Wakka: 218 bones 9177 polys
Auron: 243 bones 9484 polys
Kimahri: 232 bones 9035 polys
Rikku: 244 bones 9365 polys
Seymour: 238 bones 8266 polys
Lulu: 260 bones 9603 polys

Now, you can see here that Lulu has by far the most bones (animation rigging) and the second most polys after Tidus. She probably would have beat Tidus in both if she had feet or legs below the mid thigh
https://i.imgur.com/cZ9Pg3P.png
which she lacks because they would otherwise clip her belt skirt which as you can see here was it's own removed object from the rest of the dress on the modeling and rigging to help hide that they are just animating that section of the dress when she walks to convey her movement.
https://i.imgur.com/VDEuCGJ.png
Here is a look at the belts too with the polys highlighted. Idk how to make gifs or I would, but the belts actually clip themselves all over the place just when she plain walks.

Her design is really interesting and SE's animators did a amazing job on her back in 2001. But this kind of design wouldn't fit well into FF XIV's design limitations and the need to make outfits at least partway work for a very diverse animation range for characters that have legs below the mid thigh.

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Originally Posted by Texa

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That's fascinating - thanks for sharing the details ;)

Most definitely wishful thinking on my part but please please please if this happens make a male version of LuLu's outfit as well.

All my yes <3333

Lovely idea but yeah dunno if they'd manage all the belts! I remember reading an interview or something where they said if you pay attention in game, you'll notice that most shots involving Lulu in cutscenes are from her waist up. It was very difficult for them to get that many polygons on screen at once. So they compensated by not showing all of her at once most of the time. xD

Would be instant buy, but don't see it happen ( sadly ) anytime soon .. if ever.

Would be nice, "I would love Aaron's", but that's only if the models in FF14 can even "fit" in the dress if ya know what I mean, Lulu was big lolol :p

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Originally Posted by OMega_ARcane

Would be nice, "I would love Aaron's", but that's only if the models in FF14 can even "fit" in the dress if ya know what I mean, Lulu was big lolol :p

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Maybe they'd do a Minfilia top and have it auto boob job us. @_@

Seriously though, they could make it go on smaller busts too. Look at the crafting leveling sets. (Patricians set etc.) That is a similar cut across the boobage and it works on smaller busts too.

After how Yuna's FFX dress turned out I'm not sure we should be asking for this...Yuna's felt like it wasn't created in ffxiv quality

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Originally Posted by Texa

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Would there be a way to reduce the polys to make development and movement of the dress to clip less and make a functional glamour piece for any job class? I remembering reading somewhere that the development team had to cut Yuna's sleeves short because they would clip all over the place through everything. So would they just have to make the individual poly pieces that make up Lulu's belt into bigger pieces and if so, could they be made flexible so they wouldn't look weird and blocky while moving

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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For myself, I only found the sleeves lacking in quality, but only because I think they struggled to make them functional.

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Originally Posted by Kaelah

Maybe they'd do a Minfilia top and have it auto boob job us. @_@

Seriously though, they could make it go on smaller busts too. Look at the crafting leveling sets. (Patricians set etc.) That is a similar cut across the boobage and it works on smaller busts too.

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That's a really good idea on how to deal with the bust problem if Lulu's outfit were added to the game! :D

Funny about the auto bust thing with Minfillia's dress, my Auri alt's bust just about fits her size! XD

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Would there be a way to reduce the polys to make development and movement of the dress to clip less and make a functional glamour piece for any job class?

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It's hard to say how much they can cut effectively while still being able to clearly convey that her skirt is covered in belts.

https://i.imgur.com/sbp8c9v.jpg
As you can see here, the webbing on her skirt in the low-res battle/overworld model and the webbing in the cutscene model is basically the same.

https://i.imgur.com/VviQjRB.png
The more she spreads her "feet" apart though the worse the belts look and they will actually start clipping into the the black block that represent her legs, meaning that if she had legs that would clip the skirt constantly any time her needed to bend her knees. Keep in mind that when she's moving her feet apart to the extent where it stretches out the textures into looking bad, she's really nowhere near what we do in game. Lulu also never really moves her thighs much compared to what we would do because it would clip the belts. To illustrate this I unlocked rogue and took a screenshot in the closest dress I have (model-wise) with my moogle slippers on because they will clip absolutely everything and it makes it easy to see where my feet are.
https://i.imgur.com/pZShX1M.jpg
IMO they could if they really tried but it would still be a nightmare to work in to FF XIV when there are dozens of other cameo costumes they could do that would work very well with our graphical limitations and diverse animation needs. Like Terra, Tifa, Garnet, Ashe, Fran, and Rinoa. Yuna was a pretty iffy choice herself and the finished product had a pretty mixed reception.

What if they develop Lulu's outfit the way they did the Far Eastern Matriarch's Dress? I noticed while playing as Dragoon with it glamoured that the edges where the feet would usually clip were lifted up slightly so the dress wouldn't clip through the foot gear. That could solve the foot clipping issue.

And I know next to nothing about how game developers create things in-game but what if instead of letting the polys for belts stretch down the middly buckles like they are in the pictures you should me, why not stretch out each of the outer edges of the belts so when a player character stretches their legs wide as you've shown above. If that doesn't work, could the buckles be treated as an entirely second piece; turning it into leg gear while the rest of the dress is the top gear? Unlike in FFX, FFXIV allows us to wear gear pieces instead of one whole garment stuck together like glue. This could relieve the stress of trying to make Lulu's dress as a whole glamour functional by breaking it down into two pieces: The Top Fur Coat Dress and the Belt Skirt! ^^

Also, if they the development team can't figure out to make the belts work if still, I'm okay if they give us just a few more belts in order for belts to work/look good in-game.

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Originally Posted by Texa

I have the FFX model viewer and I can explain how complicated Lulu's model was compared to the other playable characters in her own game in order to make her dress work. This is based off everyone's cutscene PS2 models.


Tidus: 217 bones 9749 polys
Yuna: 225 bones 9432 polys
Wakka: 218 bones 9177 polys
Auron: 243 bones 9484 polys
Kimahri: 232 bones 9035 polys
Rikku: 244 bones 9365 polys
Seymour: 238 bones 8266 polys
Lulu: 260 bones 9603 polys

Now, you can see here that Lulu has by far the most bones (animation rigging) and the second most polys after Tidus. She probably would have beat Tidus in both if she had feet or legs below the mid thigh
https://i.imgur.com/cZ9Pg3P.png
which she lacks because they would otherwise clip her belt skirt which as you can see here was it's own removed object from the rest of the dress on the modeling and rigging to help hide that they are just animating that section of the dress when she walks to convey her movement.
https://i.imgur.com/VDEuCGJ.png
Here is a look at the belts too with the polys highlighted. Idk how to make gifs or I would, but the belts actually clip themselves all over the place just when she plain walks.

Her design is really interesting and SE's animators did a amazing job on her back in 2001. But this kind of design wouldn't fit well into FF XIV's design limitations and the need to make outfits at least partway work for a very diverse animation range for characters that have legs below the mid thigh.

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Thank You so much for sharing this, you actually went out of you way to explain, some facts about these systems. I too would love Lulu's gear in game though the challenge would be quite an undertaking.

By the way, do you feel it could more easily be done as a gear option that over rides hands, legs, and feet when equipped on the body or cut up as was later done to the Odin armor set?

They don't need to make a 100% identical version of Lulu's dress. They can just add some belts and work with the limits. If the general feel/look is there that's all that matters.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

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A lot of that is all hypothetical I honestly don't know the answer for. I know a lot about the models for X and X-2 because I can look at all of them at my leisure and I can draw a few connections between how those models were animated compared to the models in FF XIV. But beyond a few basic things I know as a FF X and animation enthusiast I really can't say because I don't what our actual poly counts are, how our dresses are typically webbed and rigged, or the upper limits of what the dev team is willing to commit to something like that.

The most baseline thing I can say about this though is that I'm not sure if the dev team has figured out how to make skirts that are open at the front that have a bunch of details draped in front of them work. I know there's gear with stuff similar to that, but usually it's one piece? The problem with Lulu's belts is how they're layered on top of each other. If it was one layer of parallel belts that'd work for sure, but she has a big tangle of them and to make that look good on a 3d model you need multiple layers of webbing that needs to respond a specific way to game physics and the player model. If that makes sense? I'm not a dev or even someone with a degree though so I really can't say.

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Originally Posted by Texa

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I see. Mm, I guess it just best to hope they can handle making a simplified version of Lulu's outfit then. I'm not sure either how much XIV development team can handle either, obviously; especially since I know zip about character model and aesthetic creation. But I think at least one day in the future XIV's development team could handle tanking the challenge (*snort* littl tanker joke. x'3) of developing a FFX Lulu outfit worthy of our praise and acknowledgement. I mean, even though I know dungeon and open wolrd creation are two completely different and separate things compared to character aesthetic creation. If they can give us a constant decent flow of very well aesthetic designed dungeon, raids, and a giant swimming pool in the Red Sea of Othard, again I'm positive they can handle making a Lulu aesthetic some day. :D

I think I would die even if all we got was her hair

I would rather wait for a day they can bring Lulu's outfit in its entirety than having a discount one.

I like Lulu but this game will not do that outfit Justice. Rikku's outfit would work much better. Paine's outfit is another runner up I want.