Reduction of time needed to complete a craft action

Since I started play FFXIV I asked myself why to execute a craft action (Standard, Rapid, Bold) should take so much time. I'd find crafting more "fun" if the numbers of strokes would be reduced (3 is too much). What do you think about it?

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I totally agree. The time it takes to craft an item is waaaaaayyy to long. Coupled with the amount of SP to get to the next level is mind numbing and very discouraging. I love the animations and graphics, but the quickest you can craft something once you actually get to it (not counting the prep screens) is at least four times (standard synthesis, not counting buffs, ie. Tender Touch etc). Usually its much more. This needs to be reduced to about 3-4 MAX.

The redundancy of screens you have to go through also needs to be reduced. Example: When you use an existing recipe you already have its need to be like the upgraded crafting leve screen. One screen to choose recipe and then load all the mats, select main/off hand tool and then your off crafting. you don't need a screen to chose the item once you have chosen the existing recipe.

Additionally, HQ is totally random it seems, it needs to come more in line with the degree of crafting level you are over the standard for the item.

Finally, WHY WHY, WHY are the base materials for certain items at a higher crafting level than the item they combine to make. Of all the tings wrong with the crafting system this is the most discouraging.

I dont think the number of actions needs to be reduced. I do like having abilitys from other crafting jobs and i use as many as needed to help me out. What does need to be adjusted is the time it takes for abilitys to take effect and then start crafting again. It doesnt make alot of sence to me. Standard,rapid,and Bold are almost instant. Why cant using buffs like tender touch, fullfilment, and makers muse be instant?

Standard, Rapid and Bold are NOT almost instant - every single ability used causes your character to physically do something, and those graphics are what causes the time between abilities. Bolding takes more time than using an ability, even.

Yes! Faster synth actions please. Between the 4 second animations, the unavoidable small lag, and the menu interfaces it takes at least a minute to complete a synth. While this is fair for guildleve synths that are yielding over 700SP each, this really is too slow to grind higher crafting ranks.

It shouldn't take any less time to finish a single item than it does for a DoM/DoW to kill something of comparable SP. Granted, I don't play DoM/DoW, so I can't speak to how alike they are time-wise. But that seems like the standard to be used. Crafters aren't inherently more deserving of time than combatants are.

The crafting mechanics need to be made more interesting and more variety should be added. New synthesis concepts go!

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Originally Posted by Harly

Finally, WHY WHY, WHY are the base materials for certain items at a higher crafting level than the item they combine to make. Of all the tings wrong with the crafting system this is the most discouraging.

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Dude... yes this irks me more than anything with crafting. Since they've made the menus a bit more streamlined its helped with a lot of the downtime during crafting but I find recipes I want to make to only find one +of the ingredients is like 10+ levels above me. I hate it.

Actions need to be sped up for sure imo. Also if this is done their should be a difference between the speed of crafting a part vs a finished item. Parts should be done faster and finished items should take longer. Though both need to have their time to complete reduced from the current speed of molasses +1

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Originally Posted by Harly

Finally, WHY WHY, WHY are the base materials for certain items at a higher crafting level than the item they combine to make. Of all the tings wrong with the crafting system this is the most discouraging.

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Eh, this actually makes perfect sense. By requiring you to be a higher rank for the parts than the final product, they're helping you succeed in the final synthesis.

It may be a little frustrating sometimes, but it's not nearly as frustrating as blowing up that same synth if it has rarer mats or is just generally a pain to make due to the number of synths required (hi2u haubys).

Would be nice if Rapid was actually worth something... since it's suppose to help expedite the synth.

Rapid is completely useless unless you are crafting something 20+ ranks below you.

Even then rapid sucks because 8 times out of 10 it fails then you end up spamming standard anyways.

Scrap rapid, and add "Don't use" because that's what it is right now, lol. - My piece of off topic information for the day.

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Originally Posted by Harly

Finally, WHY WHY, WHY are the base materials for certain items at a higher crafting level than the item they combine to make. Of all the tings wrong with the crafting system this is the most discouraging.

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This is because it takes WAAAY more skill to forge a Longsword blade than it takes to put a longsword together ......
I think they are making the crafting system WAY too realistic. Have you noticed that just about every recipe in the game is a real life recipe? I have... It just has an unrealistic method to use realistic materials in these realistic recipes. Whoever was behind the Synthesis concepts in the old team sucked at fantasy lol.

As for why base materials are higher rank than finished materials usually...
You can put LEGO blocks together, but do you know how to make the actual blocks?

The streamlining from the recent patch made selecting from the Recipes tab much less cumbersome (about half the number of clicks/inputs). Speeding up the physical actions (not too much, super-fast gathering animations look strange for example) and reducing menu lag would be enough.

Actions don't need to be sped up, they need to reduce the ammount of actions on average needed to complete a synth. IE: Increase the progress for every action, but also increase the rate at which the durability lowers. I don't want rapid synthesis to be a blur because it's animation was sped up x3.

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Originally Posted by Scarface

Even then rapid sucks because 8 times out of 10 it fails then you end up spamming standard anyways.

Scrap rapid, and add "Don't use" because that's what it is right now, lol. - My piece of off topic information for the day.

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Actually since one of the recent patches, depending on when I use rapid, it works 100% of the time. Also perfection helps in guaranteeing the success of rapid. Theres also the ability that increases the odds of rapid synthesis succeeding in general for 3 actions.

my biggest issue is being rank 30 and blowing up mats that are level 1, it always cracks me up when I'm r30 and I pop a r10 synth to no end. I love the mechanics and complexity of crafting, it adds a entirely new dimension to the game that has never before been seen. Getting a craft to max rank should be time consuming and very tedious, but it should also be very rewarding. Max rank crafters under any circumstance should want for nothing. Max rank crafters should be in high demand, and the nice thing is the repair system kinda enforces this a bit.

The fact that Perfection works 100% of the time is flawed, in about 500-600 synths of using Perfection I've seen it fail twice.

No screenshot to prove this, but I'm sure many people have had this happen before as well. Perfection is still beast anyways.

99 Progress, 1 dura, Oh what to do?!?! Perfection => Standard, 100% progress - 1 dura. Owned.

I love the crafting system, but yes it needs to be faster. I like the idea of much faster part synths and about the same or slightly faster equippable item synths, since you usually won't be mass producing the latter and it should take a bit more effort.

It should also use materials in line with the item you're making. Yes, it's more "realistic" if you want to use the (somewhat dubious) lego analogy made earlier, but this is a game, and it's a bad game mechanic to have a synth basically lie to you about its required level. That'd be like an enemy that was level 10, but you needed to be level 30 to actually kill it because it has a single ability that will one-shot anyone at its actual level. Come to think of it, I've run into some of those in this game too..well anyway.

As far as it taking reams of effort to get max level...well, this game is very crafter friendly but it shouldn't be crafter-exclusive. I remember what a horror story it was in FFXI to get geared as I leveled because the vast majority of gear was crafted, and it often required you to do (VERY boring and tedious even by MMO standards) farming or the finite amount of BC/KS runs you could do for money. Crafters should be able to get by, but it shouldn't be at the cost of forcing everyone else to grind for huge amounts of time to be able to afford their items, especially since this game as a whole doesn't follow the usual MMO paradigm of being able to get at least somewhat level-appropriate gear from quest or mob drops.