As I'm sure you guys are aware, they changed the Goblet design for 4.1. It used to resemble a natural oasis, and now... it looks like a Trumpesque Golf club resort.
They changed the only part people liked, The Brimming Heart, and left the rest of the crappy place the exact same. And I'm speaking as someone who had both my personal house and FC house in Goblet by choice(my world still has open shirogane plots, fyi). The new design completely ruined the atmosphere of the place, and I'm going move ASAP now. I used to defend it a lot because I felt like if they changed the outer ring a bit, it would be amazing. But instead the just took away all of it's charm.
Why did they do this without even polling people on what they liked about the Goblet, or disliked about it? :mad:
Does SE not understand why people don't like the Goblet?
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10-17-2017, 10:36 AMEndeleonDoes SE not understand why people don't like the Goblet?
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10-17-2017, 10:38 AMPenthea
My fc loved how the new Goblet looked so much we entirely scrapped moving to Shirogane and got a poolside plot instead.
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10-17-2017, 10:48 AMEndeleonObviously some people will like it, but I've come across a lot of people who already had Goblet houses who hate it now. :/ http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery...ng-details.jpg this is what it was designed to be, a natural oasis. This is what I liked. Nobody really like the outer bland stone walls, but they didn't even think of changing that. They could have made those areas into small pools to bring up the aesthetic value of those plots, but they left them the same and scrapped the jewel part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
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10-17-2017, 10:53 AMPentheaIt's impossible to please everyone. Players complained that only Shirogane had a swimming area so SE altered the other districts to allow for the same, now players are complaining that stuff has changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endeleon
Honestly I think the Goblet has vastly improved since the update. Ul'dah is known for its wealth and love for luxury and up until the update the Goblet really didn't reflect that at all because it was so plain. It is still very plain on the outer circle unfortunately. -
10-17-2017, 11:19 AMEndeleonI feel like you are missing what I'm saying. I'm not annoyed they changed it, I'm annoyed about WHAT they changed. They did not look into what people liked about the place. The other places only change don the outer areas, slightly. Goblet changed in a huge way, in the center area that people loved. But they kept the boring outer area the same, so it ended up the exact same it's always been, The Brimming Heart if full and all the outer houses are a ghost town. Instead of changing the aspect people already loved, they should have incorporated the swimming and golden gilded lions to the outer rings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
Obviously it's too late now, I'm not starting some petition to change it, that's downright not going to happen. It's just really dumb that they scrapped the only aspect people liked in the goblet. :/ -
10-17-2017, 11:27 AMPentheaHonestly if they looked here, and they probably did, they would have seen most players considered The Goblet to be the least desirable of all for aesthetic reasons. It has often been called plain in the past. Whatever your personal taste is, you can't say the new pools/baths are plain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endeleon
Well this is your preference but I empathise. If your plot is in the Brimming Heart I can see how the change could bother you. You may have chosen the plot because of the oasis and now it's mostly gone. If the plot is elsewhere you can just not visit the Brimming Heart unless you need to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endeleon
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10-17-2017, 11:32 AMVahlnir
I don't see what the issue is...did you NOT see the pool fit for royalty? Yeah, I wouldn't mind some other changes to the all around scenery, but you seem to think it looks worse. It doesn't. The pool area is a good start, maybe there'll be more. I have a house in the Goblet myself, and I'm curious to see how things play out.
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10-17-2017, 11:45 AMEnla
Really? Because my issue with the Goblet has always been the sparsity of decorations, and that extends to the former pool. It needs more trees, flowers, water features and the like; and I personally think the new pool is a step in the right direction. In fact my ONLY complaint about it is that the rest of the static buildings weren't changed to match the updated textures. Hell most people I know of aren't fond of the Goblet for this same reason and are at least happy we have /something/ that looks better than all the other wards, even if it's only one small section. To each their own but I've literally never met someone who looked at the old pool in the Goblet and went 'this is good'. It was mostly 'this is the only tolerable part'.
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10-17-2017, 02:36 PMNalette
I happen to really like the Goblet? My FC's home is located there, and will remain our first choice to upgrade when new wards get released.
I love the new pool, and would love to see more touches like it sprinkled around the rest of the housing area. Fountains, plazas, more splashes of desert greenery to break up the sandstone? Yesplease!
I honestly think that the biggest problem with the ward is that you're staring off into a vast sea of nothingness around it's perimeters, rather than some of the ambient scenery the others have.
If it were set up like a village built in and around a naturally occuring oasis / spring in the desert with a view of Ul'dah off in the distance on one side, and dramatic dunes & mountains (Think crazy windswept rock formations that turn pretty colors based on the time of day and the way the light is hitting it) rather than the yawning abyss that frames it, it might add to it more, visually. -
10-17-2017, 05:52 PMAcilith
Likewise, I like the Goblet. Being as most of the RP happens in Ul'dah anyways it's a nicer option to make some new friends there and bring them back home if you want to. I don't even mind being on the outer rim of the Goblet either, as my character is Ishgardian and the cliffside reminds him of home.
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10-18-2017, 01:22 AMMicahZerrshia
I always thought the murky green water around that area needed a better filtration system. It looked dirty and like it would probably smell irl. I like the change, its crisp and clean now. Idk anyone outside of op who isn't happy with the change in Goblet.
Everyone should, that thing is creepy, the ultimate in troll exterior lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Acilith
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10-18-2017, 02:01 AMScootPatoot
What I dislike is that the housing styles are so bland. There's one good roof style, and it's only good on larges. The rest of the aspects (Walls, doors, etc) are a sea of brown. It would be great to be able to mix and match exterior styles from all areas on any house, regardless of location. After all, we have paissa/chocobo/carby houses littering areas already. (ESPECIALLY those blaring yellow chocobo houses.)
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10-18-2017, 02:54 AMSeptonyteA literal Troll house wouldn't be as troll as the Paissa house and I love SE for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia
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10-18-2017, 03:39 AMMrydeen
They just need more detailing in the walls and more ferns and plants.. and the ward will be just fine.
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10-18-2017, 03:56 AMSaphirauge_Solasfola
I did not like the changed Goblet as much, but I do understand the reason for the choice. I did really love the natural oasis. I just wish they kept more elements of that oasis intact.
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10-18-2017, 04:22 AMPastahnak
I live on the outer ring (plot 56) and I'm lucky enough to where the large house below me is nice to look at and I have a short walk to the swimming area that I think looks great. I do agree they need to add more vibrant colors to make the place look better and the weird drop off in the outer ring could probably be changed. IDK what they'd change it to it's just staring out into nothingness is a bit strange but not a deal breaker.
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10-18-2017, 04:46 AMSaphirauge_Solasfola
I used to have a house in the plot hanging off the cliffside. I loved it, personally @Pastahnak
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10-18-2017, 06:41 AMEnlaNalette came up with a pretty good solution on the last page that wouldn't take away from the desolation and sparse nature. Honestly I do think having a city carved into the surrounding rocks like a rendition of the real world Petra and the Anasazi cliff pueblos would go a long way. You don't need to add any splashes of color this way and you'd be keeping with the desert motif.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastahnak
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10-18-2017, 06:44 AMLittleSparrowAtleast it's not as bad as the horror show that is the new Shirogane house. That thing is an eyesore. Especially mansions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Septonyte
They don't make sense. Too many floors for the interiors size, plus the outer walls often float partially. -
10-18-2017, 06:49 AMMirch
Sorry? SPA tbh thats it
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10-18-2017, 08:14 AMKeydahMan I wish it looked like that in-game. The Brimming Heart was passable, but the outside sections are extremely depressing. It's not an oasis (natural or manmade), it's just random planters plopped everywhere, with houses that have nothing remarkable about them scattered around awkwardly. I want to love Goblet because I love Ul'dah and deserts over everything else, but it's all just so ugly - the houses, the views if you don't get one of the few plots around the Heart, etc. The Brimming Heart is prettier now, but as OP says...they didn't do anything about the other 70% of the zone that was awful to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Endeleon
Goblet itself wouldn't even need a revamp to make it way better, just plop it in a different spot with a better view like the concept art depicts. :\ -
10-18-2017, 08:55 AMZojha
Truth be told, I always considered it more of a luxury club than natural oasis simply because: It's an island on top of a large cliff.
The vegetation is however quite lacking indeed.
(I'll say, though, that none of the Districts quite live up to their gorgeous concept art, in no small part due to the way people decorate their houses >_>) -
10-18-2017, 08:58 AMRuri
I love the new goblet look, the swimming area is right below my house too from before 4.1 so didn't even move to Shiro.
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10-18-2017, 09:38 AMAcilithhttps://i.imgur.com/tgKaE.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia
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10-18-2017, 10:08 AMLastFireAce
I think you may be one of the few who like the old goblet, majority of the people I know dislike it, but now they love it because of the pool.
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10-18-2017, 10:58 AMKrotoan
.. am I the only one who picked goblet cause I liked it not because it was the emptiest?
I got my own waterfall and now steps straight into the pool area.. Oh yeah.. stylin. -
10-18-2017, 11:17 AMDustytomeThe middle area has always been the jewel, they just need to do some adjusting to the outside areas that can't even see the pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krotoan
From the concept art, is there supposed to be a small villa area across one of the bridge with a fountain in the middle? That would have been great!Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
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10-18-2017, 12:02 PMLadyKairi
I mean, most people I know hated the goblet. It was always the last to ever fill up, only because people were desperate for a house, and it was better than nothing. After the pool being added, a lot more people like it and actually WANT to live there. I've even debated on moving my apartment there.
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10-18-2017, 12:12 PMSokiYagamiGood lord, I forgot about the concept art until you brought it up. Now that is what I'd call an oasis. Goblet has too little greenery for my taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
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10-18-2017, 11:26 PMBesame
My FC is there. The only plots worthwhile are the few around the pool/fountain, otherwise, same ugly place.
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10-18-2017, 11:31 PMManuelBravo
If people don't like the area I'm sure plenty of people will be willing to buy those plots -.- can always wait for something that meets their taste lol. If people would just simple understand that the area meets with the main city in a form of a theme it would make sense... then again common sense is dead.
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10-18-2017, 11:51 PMBesameOk Mr "common sense" but I didn't buy there I wrote "my fc did". I have a med house in the beds where it is scenic at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by ManuelBravo
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10-19-2017, 01:00 AMNalette
See, that concept art would make it perfect. Lush greenery, palms, etc. Maybe an open-air market / bazaar of some sort -- not unlike that fantastic row of shops Shirogane got for flavor.
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10-19-2017, 11:19 AMStaar
I love the pool in the goblet. Mist and Shiro have beaches, and LB has a pond and streams. Goblet having a pool theme makes it stand out from the rest and makes more sense with Goblet being on top of a mountain.
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10-19-2017, 11:36 AMStaar
My issues with Goblet is the scenery...it just bland mountains, they could have done so much more with it, like being able to see Uldah in the distance. Also the placement of the mansions are shit. They just feel thrown in, and that one on the outside of the "bowl" is just horrible, boring scenery, in the middle of nowhere with a small right infront of you...wtf. Only large plot i like is the one near the apartments facing the windmill.