Is there any issue with loots since last patch?

I'm ok with grind, I'm ok with farm as long as it's worth it (mount, weapons, etc). But Can we talk about the new dungeon and the new 24 players raid chests...? I've done more than 30 times the new dungeon and never, NEVER saw the bard body at the end. And I just finished my 21th run of the raid ans never, NEVER say any bard piece except twice on first boss. Doing the raid 21 times, mean 21 hours of farming.. For a raid... You have better chances to get your loots from any Primal EX or Omega than this. And can we speak about the ONLY ONE chest with armors on the last boss? Since Stormblood, we have even more jobs than before, we deserve at least another one armor piece on the last boss. Since many patches now this game is more and more AND MORE farming. Even the events are just farm now (I'm not talking about Yokai Watch, that thing is insane). As I said, I'm ok with farming but you cant expect players to run more than 20 time a thing that last more than one hour to stay calm. Loots are going crazy and I'm already disgusted of the contend of the last patch....

Random will be random. Pretty much it. I don't mean this sarcastically either...that's literally all there is to it.

Well. I'm still looking for anything that is NOT dex based gear.
Maybe can we switch?

Rng is rng is rng is rng is rng is rng is rng is rng is rng is rng

I can confirm that in O1S, my casting bracelet only dropped about 4 weeks AFTER I bought it and it's the only caster piece I've seen in 10+ clears, so...yeah, rng sucks but that's why it's called random lol

Once again, RNG is ok, but we're talking about something that will cost you at least a full hour if you're lucky to go with players who know what to do. Primals can be farmed easily because you spend only 15/20min on it. And, as said before, you earn tokens, so after a certain amount of tries, you have your loot. On top of that, players are less and less patient because of this RGN thing and the more and more farm in the game. So they get mad, rage quit, troll, etc... I'd gladly do the raid 3 or 4 times a week if I was sure to be rewarded with at least ONE LOOT for the job I play using coin or something. But that's not the case. You have to deal with RNG and with the fact that other players will NEED your loot too (because yes, more jobs means more players who need what YOU need too). So RNG or not, spending 21hours in one week to have the chance to loot a piece of armor is ridiculous... (while there are 3 Orchestrion Rolls and 2 Card in the same chest...).

Atone for you sins against the rng gods. Then they may grant you mercy.

Though they are quite fickle so they may still just give you the finger.

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Originally Posted by DeaconMoore

Atone for you sins against the rng gods. Then they may grant you mercy.

Though they are quite fickle so they may still just give you the finger.

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This is what dealing with RNG feels like sometimes...
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Fickle? Nah, just a cruel sense of humor and getting enjoyment out of beating you senseless.

I literally just made a Reddit post about this a few days ago. I'm currently up to 20+ hours of Skalla nonstop within the last 3 days and I have not seen the fending coat drop not once. I've been keeping a log of the items that have been dropping as well. I'm currently up to 66 runs.

Welcome to FFXIV, world of RNG

Random is random, and i loot the bard chest piece by the way. Never saw the Tank one lol

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Originally Posted by Renato

I literally just made a Reddit post about this a few days ago. I'm currently up to 20+ hours of Skalla nonstop within the last 3 days and I have not seen the fending coat drop not once. I've been keeping a log of the items that have been dropping as well. I'm currently up to 66 runs.

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The odds of seeing it have got to be quite low though - if you consider the whole loot list. Doing it 66 times doesn't change that. But I do hope you get it eventually.

Everybody said RNG already, can we give that a rest now? Thanks for your participation to the discussion but everyone else beat you to it already...

This is a legitimate concern and it is potentially only going to get continually worse under the current system in dungeons and raids as more and more jobs are introduced. I'm not going to sit here and do the napkin math but since ARR has launched I believe there have been a total of 6 new jobs (Ninja, Dark Knight, Astrologian, Machinist, Samurai and Red Mage), so the percentage chance of seeing a piece of gear for your job has gone down considerably over the course of only two expansions.

Would it really kill them to change the chests from 2 to 4 drops now? So many folks (myself included) are leveling alts so the excuse of letting people get gear too fast is a poor one at best, especially in things like 24-man where you are limited to 1 drop a week. I shouldn't have to run Rabanastre double digit times a week or more until a piece for my Machinist that I need finally drops.

I share the OPs concern and I believe it is a valid one that deserves more than all of the lemmings shouting RNG, like people have never heard that one before. OP even went out of their way to mention that they understand there should be some kind of grind for it but that it feels excessive and still, folks felt the need to chime in like that. It's absurd.

I got the aiming chest on the first try (super lucky), but have been farming the tank chest for days with nothing to show for it (instant queues and no competition either QQ)

I wish they'd increase drops in this dungeon. It's one of the first dungeons I've ever grinded for gear (I really, really don't like PvE, especially dungeons), and it's so disheartening to go for one body/leg drop at the end.

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I share the OPs concern and I believe it is a valid one that deserves more than all of the lemmings shouting RNG, like people have never heard that one before. OP even went out of their way to mention that they understand there should be some kind of grind for it but that it feels excessive and still, folks felt the need to chime in like that. It's absurd.

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People keep bringing it up because that's literally all it is. This has been in place since the start...and even long before XIV was around. Can it suck? Yes. Can it be frustrating? Double yes. But the fact remains that this is just how MMOs work. If it's not gear, it's a mount. Or a minion. Or a number of other things. Maybe I've been an MMO junky for so long that I'm just indifferent, but I don't really see how this is a huge issue. That said, adding another drop or 2 here or there isn't a bad idea. Not sure why they put shards in place of gear in some areas with Skalla, that confused me.

I've lost count of all the runs I've done up to now. What happened to that smart loot drop system the other expert dungeons had? Did they get rid of it?

Cause as nice as Skalla is, I'm pretty sick of it already, and I have more gear for jobs not even at 70 than the only one I've actually run it on. . .

I saw your reddit post and I feel you. I'm in the same boat. All I've been doing this past week is running Skalla for that healer top. I've lost count of how many times I've even did it, but it's getting ridiculous and disheartening.

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RNG hates you as much as it hates me. It took me 30+ runs of Pharos HM/Saint Morciane(or however you spell it) each to get the DRG chest piece for a glamour. Just need to be resilient and push on through until you finally do see/get it....which is a bit annoying, but the only way to do it sadly.

Everyone hates RNG, unfortunately it seems to be a huge thing in MMOs. I'm assuming the reason is that if you get what you want on the first run you don't bother going again till the following week. I usually go as a dps which means that even IF rng drops something I can use then it's rng again to see who actually gets it. Just keep praying to the RNG gods and hope you get lucky.

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Just keep praying to the RNG gods and hope you get lucky.

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And when that doesn't work, sacrifice 5,000,000,000 worth of *insert favorite sacrificial creature/race/monster/etc* for the 0.0000000001% boost

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Originally Posted by Zarabeth

Everyone hates RNG, unfortunately it seems to be a huge thing in MMOs.

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Which is natural - MMOs are built to make their players repeat the content, if everyone did it just once and was done, the multiplayer aspect would quickly die. But since players are ill inclined to mindlessly repeat content on their own, they bait people with a slew of rewards to do it instead, primarily progression (stats/levels/Merit points/whatever) and vanity (Glamour/Mounts/Minions). And that reward needs to take several runs on average to attain in order to facilitate ample repetition. The way to facilitate that in turn is gating it behind RNG or token grinds - the prior systems allow people instant gratification at the expense of statistical outliers on the other end and screw every sort of reward/effort ratio, the latter make the actual length of the intended grind apparent, sometimes feel overwhelming as a result but guarantee a fixed reward/effort ratio.

Personally, I vastly prefer token systems over RNG. But that might just be because I tend to be the one suffering from it >_>

Very sad when you try all week to just get something, but something never drops. As if Hashmal trolling wasn't enough.

RIP my samurai, one day I'll be able to gear you up.

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Personally, I vastly prefer token systems over RNG. But that might just be because I tend to be the one suffering from it >_>

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Token system would be nice for 24-man, but I fear they wouldn't change it because then people will only run once a week. At least as it is you try to run a few times before giving up and grabbing something random.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

but I fear they wouldn't change it because then people will only run once a week

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Let's make it 3 or 5 tokens then. That way players will GLADLY do their 3/5 runs a week because they know they'll have the armor they want from it.

I ran Saint Mocianne's Arboretum 200 times to get the complete caster and healer sets. Deal.

It seems that these days Orchestrion Rolls are more important than Armor.
Which is very useful if you don't own a House or a Apartment.
And this "oh so rare" shard which you can obtain in different ways.
As already mentioned. We've got a bunch of new Classes and therefore a lot more Armor. Does that bother SE? Are they even aware of that?
Since the Housing Desaster I don't believe that SE knows what's going on in their own game. Or worse, they just don't care till the Community bursts out in Rage.
I for one do not participate in that lemming-like behavior. I'll do the raid once in a week. When we have killed the last boss and there is no loot for my Class, I leave, even without rolling on one of these damn things and do not enter the Raid till the next week.
I'm disgusted by that awful RNG in this game.

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Originally Posted by Glenfiddich

It seems that these days Orchestrion Rolls are more important than Armor

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I so much agree with this... Orchestrion Rolls are everywhere... Less work for them to imagine rewards for events, less armor for us so players do the same silly content again and again... Orchestrion Rolls are the new easy option for devs. And not to mention that in the raid, we don't have any chest with minion or item to craft something this time...

sooner or later they'll recycle those appearances anyway, just wait for it if you cant deal with rng

It's kind of annoying everyone just hand waving this with "It's RNG deal with it". Yes, we're all collectively aware that the system is based on RNG, thank you Sherlock's! But does that at all mean the system itself is good or perfect? No. The system doesn't have to exclusively work this way.

For leveling dungeon we get 100% chance of a armor piece of our class at the end of the dungeon. But why does it stop at 70 dungeons? It's gear which is an upgrade to what you'll initially get at 70 yes, but at the same time is so quickly and easily replaced it shouldn't even be an issue with getting a 100% chance at a piece of it by the end of the dungeon. You could argue that less people would be playing it and yeah that's somewhat fair, but it's negated by the fact that it becomes part of the expert roulette itself. since every dungeon is a part of every single roulette it's kind of a moot point that it's played less because it will always be available to party for, just look at the main story roulette.

70 dungeon gear is basically glorified leveling gear imo. it has no place in any BIS and will be upgraded and replaced rapidly even by casual players and for that reason I think it exists mainly for glamour purposes. So why not just reduce the grind a little by allowing people to get the full set within at least 10 runs?

everyone would run the dungeon 10 times max and never again afterwards. They want people to keep running and running and running and running, preferably for the next 3 months

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everyone would run the dungeon 10 times max and never again afterwards. They want people to keep running and running and running and running, preferably for the next 3 months

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Or 6 months with how expert roulette works now.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

everyone would run the dungeon 10 times max and never again afterwards. They want people to keep running and running and running and running, preferably for the next 3 months

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With roulettes there's literally never going to be a point where no one does it. SE has a good system for a dungeons longevity. I don't see why glamour hunters should suffer through painful levels of RNG for no reason.

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everyone would run the dungeon 10 times max and never again afterwards.

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They might also only run it twice and never again afterwards. Or once, if you are only after a single piece.

If the drop rate for a given piece is 10%, then on average it will take around 10 runs to get (Probably more like 11,41263247 or sth due to outliers being uncapped). RNG doesn't do that much different than a token/count system. All RNG does is to make the distribution less fair - Some get what they want the first time around, but to compensate, others have to work far more than the average suggests. You still get the same average however. RNG systems are essentially a subsidy/tax in which the unlucky pay for the lucky.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

What happened to that smart loot drop system the other expert dungeons had? Did they get rid of it?

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There has never been one as far as I know. Are you thinking of the guaranteed personal drop at the end of 51-69 leveling dungeons?

So many people saying that because we have a lot more new jobs, that it lowered the chances of gaining what they wanted that much. For all those jobs, we only got 1 new set, ninja, since it's a dex based melee. All the other new jobs share a set with older jobs.

As far as rng goes, yes, it can feel quite bad sometimes. But the mindset you have when going into it can affect it greatly. Going in expecting to get 1 specific part (generic exemple that seems to appear in most of the complain posts: bard chest piece) you will have a guaranteed hard time, but that's on you. When I go in, my goal is to get one of the 5 pieces of a set i want, once i get 3 or 4 pieces of that set, to not limit myself i extend what i roll on to pieces of a second set I am interested in. Sometimes you get unlucky and even like that you don't get what you want, but that is how rng work.

I remember old mmorpgs where you farmed the same boss over and over again for months, sometime years to get the piece you wanted, piece that had a 0.01% chance of droping thanks. Ho, and the boss had a 24h respawn time most of the time because why not. And I saw in this same forum someone asking for something like that! Progression gear on a random drop from A or S ranks!! Different people like different stuff I guess.

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This is a legitimate concern and it is potentially only going to get continually worse under the current system in dungeons and raids as more and more jobs are introduced. I'm not going to sit here and do the napkin math but since ARR has launched I believe there have been a total of 6 new jobs (Ninja, Dark Knight, Astrologian, Machinist, Samurai and Red Mage), so the percentage chance of seeing a piece of gear for your job has gone down considerably over the course of only two expansions.

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Dark Knigh share Armor with PLD,WAR. So outside Weapon no the drop rate did no change
AST with WHM,SCH so no it hasn't changed the drop rated.
MCH with BRD.
SAM with MNK
RDM with BLM, SMN

So the only class the change the drop rate was Ninja like 4 years ago.

The raid is the same like every 24 man there has been sadly. I still remember CT and the around 100 runs it took me to get Crimson Robe of Casting (no not even joking)
The rng system SE uses is rather much junk
X Amount of runs = guaranteed something would have been better.
The new dungeon i have ran many times ( i rather like it) and have yet to see any caster gear drop.

I am tired of it all so now just grab what i could for whatever small chance i have at winning rolls, lol

I like how some dungeons they made it so you automatically get gear specific to your job, obviously thy cannot do so for a 24 man, but it sure was nice :(

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Very sad when you try all week to just get something, but something never drops. As if Hashmal trolling wasn't enough.

RIP my samurai, one day I'll be able to gear you up.



Token system would be nice for 24-man, but I fear they wouldn't change it because then people will only run once a week. At least as it is you try to run a few times before giving up and grabbing something random.

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they can do it this way:
- only 1 token each day (everyone can roll on it)
- a gear will cost 7 tokens
- 7 tokens will removed from the inventory once you win a gear roll of the week

I still hope that one day, I'll get the tank body of the first Cristal Tower raid... I've done it since day one, run it mostly as tank, seen it 3 times, 1, I was WHM and lost the roll to the tank (need > greed obviously). For the 2 other times, I was the tank and loost to the other tank :/
I'd rather have every dungeon drop to work like the savage raid and extremes : every run grant you a token, and 5-25 token let you "buy" a piece of this raid/dungeon/extremes etc

Edit : in case of daily / weekly drop limitation, make it that once you direct win a roll and/or reset day comes, delete stored token from inventory (and put token in devise/money screen, not inventory !!!!)

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I still hope that one day, I'll get the tank body of the first Cristal Tower raid... I've done it since day one, run it mostly as tank, seen it 3 times, 1, I was WHM and lost the roll to the tank (need > greed obviously). For the 2 other times, I was the tank and loost to the other tank :/
I'd rather have every dungeon drop to work like the savage raid and extremes : every run grant you a token, and 5-25 token let you "buy" a piece of this raid/dungeon/extremes etc

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Your chance have increased with 4.1, now that there are only 1 tank in each group.

I've been doing this dungeon for almost a week now. I think I'm up to about 74-75 runs. I have all of the tank accessories, the boots, the gloves, pants and goggles. But the chest piece won't drop. I haven't seen it not once but I've literally seen every other chest after the final boss. I got 3 healer coats today and a maiming one today.

Like I get that RNG is involved but its very disheartening when you're working for something and NEVER see any results. It just feels like something is off with the drop rate in this place. They need to get rid of the stupid shards and crystals in the chests and add another chest after the final boss if you can get pants and a coat from it.