Please remove timers from FATEs and put tomestone rewards in them

Its extremely annoying. Most of the FATEs that I do fails because of this timer. For people that says that they won't work without the timers: Check out the World quest system in WoW. In WoW the world feels much more alive and active cuz of the World quests... I see people everywhere. But in FFXIV the world feels very empty. Here people are just queuing for dungeons or trials inside their houses or main cities. Please SE do something about the open world... it feels very empty and will leave a bad impression to new players.

World quests are awful no thank you.

I don't see a problem in having fates reward 2 or 3 tomestones per clear though. Give people some more options on how they wish to cap.

Fates not having timers wouldn't work. There's a limit to how many fates can be active at once, some fates share spawn locations, and there are a lot of fates that either require another be finished or fail(or in the case of the churning mists superfate, 6 others) to start or can't be active while another specific fate is up.

What fates are you failing because of time? I failed things because I got to them late, but it's pretty rare to find one that just DOESN'T have enough time.

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Originally Posted by TheMax1087

Fates not having timers wouldn't work. There's a limit to how many fates can be active at once, some fates share spawn locations, and there are a lot of fates that either require another be finished or fail(or in the case of the churning mists superfate, 6 others) to start or can't be active while another specific fate is up.

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As I said check out the World quest system. They are very similar... the only difference is that World quest don't have timers and reward artifact power and endgame gear whereas FATEs have timers and offer no rewards so nobody does them. And as you said that some FATEs need to be completed for another to spawn its the same with World quests... they need to be done for new ones to pop up in the map.

What FATEs are you doing? You can solo pretty much all of them within 4 or 6 minutes with your Chocobo companion. If FATEs got stronger because people are doing them, join them or follow them.

'WoW did this, and I liked it, therefore FFXIV must do this thing, too'

Except this isn't WoW. By saying that you feel WoW didn't something better, in your opinion, then by your logic, our GCD (which is typically a common complaint from WoW players) would be reduced...which would just make the game feel really different. And not necessarily in a good way. Look, a lot of people don't like FATEs as they are. Removing the timers won't make them better. Especially since, as mentioned above, there are some FATEs out there that are part of a chain of them. It would be a bad idea. Say for example, the Shroud. Some sprouts under level 30 are fighting there, and then Odin decides to spawn.

I do, however, agree about tomestones. Maybe 8 creation tomestones or something like that, or better rewards based on area and level. Grinding FATEs for exp is...not fun anymore, to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

What FATEs are you doing? You can solo pretty much all of them within 4 or 6 minutes with your Chocobo companion. If FATEs got stronger because people are doing them, join them or follow them.

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Its not about soloing FATEs. Its about their design structure and rewards. Right now nobody does them because they don't provide any worthwhile rewards... thats why the open world feels very empty. Whereas in WoW all the World quests reward endgame gear or artifact power so all the players are doing them and the world in that game feels much more alive and populated. Whenever we play an mmorpg we should be seeing other people in the open world... if not then the game is doing something wrong.

What you are asking for completely defeats the purpose of Full Active Time Events. If they remove the timer they may as well revamp the entire FATE system. Yes it is true FATEs do not offer much, but Stormblood brought EXP Bonus to FATEs, which was a step in the right direction I suppose. If the issue here is Lv70s not needing to do FATEs then yeah replacing the XP reward with something like tomestones is more logical. Also bear in mind that the lack of open world presence is also due in major part by instanced content.

Better rewards and making them relevant I understand.. but removing timers I don't. Please explain?

Removing timers makes no sense.

But say 2 of the lower tier tomestone (or poetics for the old, easy FATEs when capped level) would be a good incentive to join up with people and do them more. Even 8 is probably too many given how many FATEs you can churn through in a queue.

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Originally Posted by Kragon

As I said check out the World quest system. They are very similar... the only difference is that World quest don't have timers and reward artifact power and endgame gear whereas FATEs have timers and offer no rewards so nobody does them. And as you said that some FATEs need to be completed for another to spawn its the same with World quests... they need to be done for new ones to pop up in the map.

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Oy, check your WoW world quests again. They do have timers, just really long ones. The "end game gear" is absolute crap for the most part that's only good for vendor/shard fodder unless you just hit level cap, and even then most of the time it's still crap with junk stats you don't need and would downgrade you. Really the only reason to do the world quests in WoW is for that very minute chance you open your coffer at the end and get a legendary, and even then, good odds it'll be a crap one with junk stats that'll make ya wanna cry because you know the next one is going to take a very long time to get.

Fates aren't perfect, but unlike the god awful World quests from WoW you can actually just farm them 'till you drop dead if you wanted, they keep spawning indefinitely. And they do offer rewards and different ones at that depending on the fate. Do a little research, ya may find something you want out of them.

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Originally Posted by Kragon

Its extremely annoying. Most of the FATEs that I do fails because of this timer. ..

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I've done manyyyyyyy fates from ARR to SB. And I don't know how you can fail most of the fate you do because of the timer.
So here some practical tip to "solo-fating":

- If a fate has has less than 7 minutes left, don't bother running to it. Especially if you want to also be able to kill the Forlorn Maiden that randomly can appear during the fate. ( If you have bad or good equipment, you might want more or less than 7 minutes, tweak accordingly)

- Always summon your chocobo companion, and don't forget to feed him Thavanarian Onion to unlock higher rank past rank 10.

- Not all but most of the non-upscaled non-boss fates only have 2 monsters spawned. If you see 3 or more, in most cases it means the fate is upscaled and it will take more time complete. A "4 monsters fate" is usually not worth timewise attending solo. With enough practice in each area, you learn to immediatly recognize when a non-boss fate is upscaled or not, and if the fate is worth doing in that context.

- If you're doing a Boss fate and you notice the progress bar is very slow, it means the fate is upscaled, and you may want to ignore it and move to another Fate.

- Don't bother solo killing the Forlon (the big one), it's not worth it.

- If you notice fates are upscaled, move to a different part of the same map. Because a fate finished with X players will upscale X times nearby other fates, but it's not map wide, so farther fates might not be upscaled, and by letting these upscaled fates run out, it will remove the upscale from that part of the map.

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Originally Posted by Kragon

Its extremely annoying. Most of the FATEs that I do fails because of this timer. For people that says that they won't work without the timers: Check out the World quest system in WoW. In WoW the world feels much more alive and active cuz of the World quests... I see people everywhere. But in FFXIV the world feels very empty. Here people are just queuing for dungeons or trials inside their houses or main cities. Please SE do something about the open world... it feels very empty and will leave a bad impression to new players.

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Good God.I am done with this nonsense of Bring what WoW adds to FFXIV or (Insert Game's Name Here).
The few things written Below are coming from an Ex-WoW player that loved Warcraft but got fed up and since i found FFXIV i am totally happy(Tho yes improments are welcome) .
First of all World quests is one of the worse ideas ever implemented in an MMORPG.The whole and only reason Blizzard added this is to Time-Gate Content Behind World Quests(Flying,Artifact Power ..)or to add a carrot on a stick (Lootboxes for Mounts).
Do you want this to come to FFXIV also ? FATES is a nice optional Event happening in the world.Its not a Mandatory Chore that much be done in order to progress content. And yes if you want to progress in WoW you need to do World Quests.
At long last please Stop Bring WoW as an example especially after Wotlk.
If my dear friend WoW's Ideas were so badass as we needed to bring them to FFXIV then explain me why since Blizzard and Cancervision turned on to this model they lost 80% of their Sub ?(And yes i know its still more than FFXIV but this shows something).
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Originally Posted by Krotoan

What fates are you failing because of time? I failed things because I got to them late, but it's pretty rare to find one that just DOESN'T have enough time.

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There are one or two I can think of, and they're all the "if NPCs all die, FATE fails" type. The one in Upper La Noscea is rather cruel; if you're not there as it starts, chances are good it's going to fail. And Defending the Hive in South Shroud is also a bit tough if you come in even a little late (but less impossible at least).
But, those aren't tight because of time limit, they're just a little frustrating that the time remaining can be misleading.
I think I may have also failed a boss FATE or two because of time, but that was simply due to fighting solo as a healer and just not outputting enough damage.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

The one in Upper La Noscea is rather cruel; if you're not there as it starts, chances are good it's going to fail

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I know exactly which one you're talking about.. protect the caravan. yeah, that one is poorly made/bugged. But the majority of the Fates out there give plenty of time, even solo.

Honestly FATEs serves as EXP battery and to make the scenery look somewhat alive and even in this way ppl are easy to hate them, dunno what might happen if they were like world quests (which tbh they are just like bounties of D3)

I'm up for almost anything that helps populate the open world. Seriously it's maddening to waste all of those beautiful landscapes.

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Originally Posted by dayspring83

I'm up for almost anything that helps populate the open world. Seriously it's maddening to waste all of those beautiful landscapes.

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Yup.. right now the open world feels so empty its really sad. Recently in an interview with gamerscape one of them asks Yoshida if there are any plans to make open world endgame content. Yoshida replied that we are not trying to make another FFXI.

After reading through that I was like... WTF... ok everybody knows this is not FFXI but SE should try to make endgame content that is focused on the open world. There are many good mmos out there like GW2 or ESO that focuses heavily on the open world... SE can easily borrow ideas from those games. The entire endgame of FFXIV from ARR to Stormblood focuses only on instanced content. What is the purpose of making such huge wide beautiful zones if they are not going to utilize it for endgame?

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Originally Posted by Kragon

Yup.. right now the open world feels so empty its really sad.

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Egh, they're going to feel empty anyway, because most of the people aren't running around in the zones, they're flying over them. The most "life" you'll get is a zerg high in the air that occasionally swoops down on whatever immediate attraction (Hunt/Fate/InsertRandomGoalHere) is on the ground like a falcon that spotted a mouse, then hide in the clouds again where you won't see them. Even if a zerg passes you by while you're doing your fishing on the ground, it passes by invisibly and make it seem like there's nobody around.

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Originally Posted by Kragon

Its extremely annoying. Most of the FATEs that I do fails because of this timer. For people that says that they won't work without the timers: Check out the World quest system in WoW. In WoW the world feels much more alive and active cuz of the World quests... I see people everywhere. But in FFXIV the world feels very empty. Here people are just queuing for dungeons or trials inside their houses or main cities. Please SE do something about the open world... it feels very empty and will leave a bad impression to new players.

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But this isnt WoW and never will be WoW. Wanna play like WoW play WoW.

Fates are stuck on timers for a reason.

i assumed you mean lv 50++ fates, yes those ones took sometime to solo...
anyway the problem is not the timer ;w; but how people dont do fate much anymore apart from event/special one.
they need to add more reward like tomes, chances for cracked/mhachi cluster (crystal would be appreciate<3) or other useful stuffs.

End-game focused around open world actually kills the game for many players. So no.

If end-game things are focused on open-world, you end up having these events that kill the weaker player machines (or even servers...look at Ixion) due to how many people are at one point. Then the event ends...and most people lost out and are unable to progress (they can't stand the hardware demand), all the while the world STILL IS dead to them...Cause the event passed so there is no reason to be there anymore.

The fact of the matter is that people just won't walk around the map casually. There is really close to no reason. Why?! People just teleport between the closest areas near their points of interest and walk the minimal amount. That's why you can expect people here or there in towns...but hardly any outside them. And how is that different?! How many people do you see in the forest nearest to you? Do you know how many beautiful and empty spots are in the real world? You live in a village, town or metropolis...so you are used to seeing people around. But the moment you leave those places (away from the roads...)...you'll see a person here or there. The same as in game. That's because people just don't appreciate the road. Vast majority care only about the destination.


And timers are necessary. There are some locations related to repeatable quests where monsters interfere with them. Not in a way that makes them impossible to do, but in a way that makes them more of a chore, like locking one of three/four nodes for Ixal quests. It is very much good that I don't have to waste 5-10 minutes to clear a fate in order to actually do the quest without unnecessary interruption. I can just wait for it to run its end, if it is sometime in the middle. The fact of the matter is that if someone WANTS to make the FATE's, then they WILL do them, despite the timer.

i've ran into new players who hate fates because they get killed by fate mobs while they quest.

so no thanks. some fates share leve quest areas for gathering classes, and it sucks to try and gather around them. goblin used to be an empty world now i see new players hourly in starter zones. people are contently joining this game or making alts starter zones are rarely empty.

A ranks hunts exist they drop tomes as well how about do new players/alts a solid and keep them killed. the serpent A rank in morby bay was up in malboro last i saw a friend/co-woker of mine started a lala there and got killed by it due to the fact it is sitting by candlekeep quay died so fast the death animation delayed a few secs.

Make the gil reward better for fates, give fate exclusive crafting items, give items to trade in for exclusive minions/mounts/barding/glams... this is how you improve fates... not ripping off a crap system from WoW

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Originally Posted by Okamimaru

Make the gil reward better for fates, give fate exclusive crafting items, give items to trade in for exclusive minions/mounts/barding/glams... this is how you improve fates... not ripping off a crap system from WoW

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fates already do this. the higher the level the more gil you get. big boss fates like cancer give out minions and glamour fates like ixion give out looks and mounts. Once ppl get their reward they drop it like yesterdays fish stew.

The answer is clear. Keep timers on FATES, but don't let the timer run out if someone is actively engaged in the FATE at the time. If they die or leave the FATE then it should run out.

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Originally Posted by BigRed5392

fates already do this. the higher the level the more gil you get. big boss fates like cancer give out minions and glamour fates like ixion give out looks and mounts. Once ppl get their reward they drop it like yesterdays fish stew.

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It's because specific fates give a specific reward... I was thinking of more like special fate currency like fate coins... something that doesn't cause people to camp one fate in particular... kinda like the reason people still do hunts, or play the gold saucer

Most fates can be done in 5 minutes... low level fates sometimes only take 2 minutes !
I guess you're just getting there too late.

Well, soloing fates on a healer can be annoying.. set chocobo to dps only. Or, you could always make a PF while grinding fates and see if anyone joins in. I do the fate weekly challenge log and it's not hard to do.