2 star rotations - Difficulty:6377/Quality:28506

Updated MM macro

2 star no rng Initial preperation (Requires some HQ mats).
The more control you meld, the less starting quality you will need:

https://i.imgur.com/mtLssT3.png

Maker's mark minimum rng, all NQ mats.

https://i.imgur.com/gDXuu3f.png

You botch a flawless synthesis at the start so you can add an additional flawless synthesis during the flawless synthesis stage between the 6th & 7th comfort zones. By doing this there's no way the craft can complete even if all flawless synthesis succeed so don't need to worry about there being a chance of having to activate comfort zone when you still have 1 comfort zone left.

Thanks to "(Zodiark) Shikhu" for this condensed format idea where we talked about possible new crafting rotations etc on the balance discord.
Thanks to "Deathgiver" for improving on the macros quality.

A balanced melding idea to fulfil both of the above rotations: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13HS5

Just wondering, but are you able to completely fill your CP back up using CZ between your FS ?

I have better luck using Tricks of the Trade, since it refills 20CP, instead of the 14 from CZ. I average about 1-2 good condition's over 10 FS's

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Originally Posted by Fervid

Just wondering, but are you able to completely fill your CP back up using CZ between your FS ?

I have better luck using Tricks of the Trade, since it refills 20CP, instead of the 14 from CZ. I average about 1-2 good condition's over 10 FS's

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No if assuming you're not relying on ToT but rather close:

https://i.imgur.com/HtjmlLe.png

This can't be what they intended. MaMa is insane...

Thumbsup Tayler. They both look very well rounded. In terms of a macroable approach I think your approaches are going to be very close to optimal (if not exact). I've started digging into the rotations and I'm coming to the same conclusions you've posted here with only minor variations.

Looks very carefully constructed, Tayler! I haven't started doing these yet. Too busy making gil lately with furniture. Also busy with new MSQ, beast tribes etc... Will also need time for yellow scrips soon too. And I don't wanna miss a beat on trial and leveling roulette each day... super overwhelmed, lol! Gonna try out these new crafts once I laid my hands on the mats.

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Originally Posted by Fervid

Just wondering, but are you able to completely fill your CP back up using CZ between your FS ?

I have better luck using Tricks of the Trade, since it refills 20CP, instead of the 14 from CZ. I average about 1-2 good condition's over 10 FS's

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I find I need 2 ToT to fill the CP up during flawless cycle. Not sure if it's optimal to use them then during that stage though.

Are those stats on the new crafting gear? If so I sent with a horrible meld recommendation any rotation for the twinsilk gear

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Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

This can't be what they intended. MaMa is insane...

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Think it is very much intended. The rich people meld hardcore and do the RNG thing with mostly nq mats, and the people who aren't rich yet spam flawless synth. Unless you mean MaMa just makes it too easy, which it might but i'd still never use it.

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Originally Posted by BucklesTrespen

This can't be what they intended. MaMa is insane...

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It's insane but these crafts are intentionally balanced for you to be able to 100% them from all NQ mats at the minimum required craftsmanship and control. They look daunting at first glance, but they aren't difficult crafts at all even from 0 starting quality. Once you get the new tool, you're already over-geared for 0-100% runs.

Because of RNG, you won't get 100% all of the time at the minimum stats, but most of your other synths should be 84-89%, giving you HQ yields that are comparable to normal 4* all NQ runs back in HW (although it is a painfully long synth this time). CP really still is key so you can't squander it on skills that overall don't add much value to your synth. Unless you're way way over-geared, I'd caution against an overuse of prudent touch.

At high stats, I'd look more toward a short synth that relies on a bit of RNG but can give you the HQ in a fraction of the time. IMO, it's better to do a short manual synth than to go through a semi-manual 80 step one even if the HQ yield suffers a tiny bit.

Thanks for posting these, especially the one that bypasses the Maker's Mark and Flawless Synthesis. My goal was to find the control threshold needed to use that rotation when starting with all HQ mats except for the Snailfish Oil for the new mainhands (i.e., 6216 starting quality) and I was finding it was about 1566 Control to get you to 100% HQ.

did they add a new way to get the demimateria, or are we back to 2.0 50 craft / desynth?

I don’t understand the comment in the second rotation about “don’t use Observe, used as filler”. If we shouldn’t use it, why is it there? Is it there for macros or something? Can you elaborate?

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I don’t understand the comment in the second rotation about “don’t use Observe, used as filler”. If we shouldn’t use it, why is it there? Is it there for macros or something? Can you elaborate?

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As the crafting simulator doesn't account for good or excellent procs or 10% failures of FS. The OP is adding Observes to fill in the gaps where procs would appear so the simulator doesn't complete all the progress of the craft before the FS's run out.

Very slight improvement to MaMa finisher, uses 1 less cp, and requires about 6 less control for same result. makes the melds slightly cheaper (can trade 1 control 6 for a control 4, and 1 cp 5 on the tool for a cp 4)
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...dafaea38b9.jpg

Would someone be so kind and share a good way to meld my gear for this receipes pls? Its a real pain to do all this stuff on my smartphone :/

Taylor, by today, I have very extensively tested many different rotations including the ones you listed on the original post of this thread. For the 1st one (RNG-free Initial Prep rotation), I gotta say, you beat me. I simply couldn't find any other ways to do it better. I have a few variants and they only got up to 18000-ish with my 1462 control. Yours, however, reaches 19804 with 1462 control. I did find that if you have ~1584 craftsmanship, you can substitute the last Observe+FocSyn with a simple CS II. This saves quite a bit of CP, and made the rotation doable at a total of 531 CP. See below:
https://i.imgur.com/xP9ubXf.png

As for the 2nd rotation you have here (MaMa rotation), I have my own version of it, and my own rotation seems to work best for me. With approximately 1300 control, I can already use all-NQ mats, and still reach 100% HQ without any problem.

So at this point, I pretty much just make NQ Snailfish Oil or NQ Ala Mhigan Fiber.... Before I maxed my stats, I rely on a MaMa rotation to make the final product using just NQ oil/fiber + HQ other mats. Now, with my maxed stats, I can rely on your RNG-free rotation (with that tiny modification above) to make the final product using exactly the same NQ oil/fiber + HQ other mats.

Truly, well done with that 1st rotation. *thumbs up*

Just an observation... Where the filler of "Observes" are on the simulator, if for some reason your craft hits 100% of the flawless synths and you just continue on, your Comfort Zone stack will not be used in time as when the macro will refresh it. Refreshing the Comfort Zone too early (if it isn't used up by the Ingenuity) will result in you running out of CP.

If for some reason you are able to hit 100% of your flawless because your RNG-Foo is that great (go buy a lottery ticket), and your Comfort Zone is still up when you get the point of refreshing it before Ingenuity, you must switch the positions of Ingenuity and Comfort Zone. This will result in a bit less Quality (around 600-800) but will allow you to finish the craft without running out of CP. The loss of quality may be worth it instead of trying to find out where to make up the extra 8 CP in melds you would need from refreshing the last Comfort Zone too early.

Just my .02. Take it for what it's worth.

This is awesome worth btw... i have yet to see anything that is this good and more efficient. Now i just need to come up with the millions in gil needed to blow on materia and failed melds.

Maker's mark minimum rng, all NQ mats.



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So I try this with 536 CP(578-42(?), and I end up needing 7 more CP for Byregot's Brow? I only have 11CP before needing to cast Byregot's Brow. Am I missing something?

Whats the starting cp?

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Taylor, by today, I have very extensively tested many different rotations including the ones you listed on the original post of this thread. For the 1st one (RNG-free Initial Prep rotation), I gotta say, you beat me. I simply couldn't find any other ways to do it better. I have a few variants and they only got up to 18000-ish with my 1462 control. Yours, however, reaches 19804 with 1462 control.

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There’s a variant I use that has Ing2 for the finisher for about 21k quality total on the synth. It’s the best 2-step macro I can see possible at this point.

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Originally Posted by blueruckus

There’s a variant I use that has Ing2 for the finisher for about 21k quality total on the synth. It’s the best 2-step macro I can see possible at this point.

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How much control was the guy having though? I am now having nearly 1500 control, and I can get way more than 19K now with the same rotation.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

How much control was the guy having though? I am now having nearly 1500 control, and I can get way more than 19K now with the same rotation.

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Just under 21k at 1439 control. You have 4 hits of prudent under Ing1 and your finisher with Ing2. At 1500 control, you should have over 21k. This was with all normal hits.

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Originally Posted by blueruckus

Just under 21k at 1439 control. You have 4 hits of prudent under Ing1 and your finisher with Ing2. At 1500 control, you should have over 21k. This was with all normal hits.

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Would you like to share this variant?

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Would you like to share this variant?

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This is from Bellator Gaius on Reddit. I was tinkering with a very similar rotation and he posted this one, which I feel tops anything else I’ve seen.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...I9&sh=58b9b1bc

I don’t remember the exact craft required. When he posted originally he mentioned a craft number which was a lot higher than really needed. There’s a 1635 number mentioned now which I think may be more accurate but I’m not in game to check my info and notes.

A possible improvement since we're talking endgame (Excluding augmented as there's an even better alternative)

Bellator Gaius's gear: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13L5H

Bellator Gaius's rotation (craftsmanship reduced to meet minimum craftsmanship requirements based on the sim):

https://i.imgur.com/3uOYn7W.png

Gear alternative: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13P2M

Rotation alternative:

https://i.imgur.com/pf7WXWL.png

Essentially you reduce the required craftsmanship a lot & in exchange you use the unused cp instead. This does mean you can meld additional control instead of craftsmanship to improve the quality as that excess craftsmanship is going to waste:

https://i.imgur.com/KPrGvmj.png

In this rotation we've reduced craftsmanship requirements by 53 & used the spare cp. Extra craftsmanship melds can be replaced by control melds which will improve quality further.

Here is a small improvement I did to the MaMa rotation, I moved two prudent touches to the start of the rotations, this makes it so Ingenuity falls on prudent touches with more inner quiet stacks.

https://i.imgur.com/aqW2b1x.png

If you do part of the flawless synth spam manually to get a tick proc you can first replace ingenuity with ingenuity II and if you get two procs add one before/after the second steady hand II.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Very slight improvement to MaMa finisher, uses 1 less cp, and requires about 6 less control for same result. makes the melds slightly cheaper (can trade 1 control 6 for a control 4, and 1 cp 5 on the tool for a cp 4)
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...dafaea38b9.jpg

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Using your idea here this seems to work great.

https://i.imgur.com/8OplE45.png

You botch a flawless synthesis at the start so you can add an additional flawless synthesis during the flawless synthesis stage between the 6th & 7th comfort zones. By doing this there's no way the craft can complete even if all flawless synthesis succeed so don't need to worry about there being a chance of having to activate comfort zone when you still have 1 comfort zone left.

So how do you get 476 CP?

I've got the 290 gear pentamelded, and I am at 452. Or are you effectively saying need to hit 2 ToTs for this to work?

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So how do you get 476 CP?

I've got the 290 gear pentamelded, and I am at 452. Or are you effectively saying need to hit 2 ToTs for this to work?

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476 CP is achieved by capping CP on the new i320 left-side. As it increases the cap from 472 (i290), to 476.

Wow. So the new gear only results in a gain of 4 CP over the old? That's... surprising. It "just" adds a ton of Craft/Control?

(Edit)Answering my own question, Ariyala saves the day! http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13SLQ
So yeah, upgrade to i320 from i290 nets you 4 CP but a quite a lot of additional Craftsmanship and Control. So much gear catch up to play... Le sigh...

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Originally Posted by Lyraele

Wow. So the new gear only results in a gain of 4 CP over the old? That's... surprising. It "just" adds a ton of Craft/Control?

(Edit)Answering my own question, Ariyala saves the day! http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13SLQ
So yeah, upgrade to i320 from i290 nets you 4 CP but a quite a lot of additional Craftsmanship and Control. So much gear catch up to play... Le sigh...

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That's because we only got new left side. If we cost 320 accessories should have a cap of 64 cp on earring/neck/bracelet and 33 on the rings and 8 on the belt, that would be a total increase of 17 cp, not much but more noticeable.

Hi! I leveled my crafters with leves and easy collectibles. As a result, I don’t understand crafting at all. I’ve been working my farms for cloudsbreath seeds to craft the flying chair. Until tonight when I noticed the difficulty is a whopping 11337. What kind of rotation is needed to craft this thing and should I upgrade my gear before even attempting? I have all HQ crafted 4.0 gear(my melds are messed up too) nothing from scrips or 4.1.

I’d really appreciate some help, even though I don’t think this is the right thread to ask in.

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Crafts that can't become HQ are very easy to do rotation-wise. Here's a super quick rotation I made.

https://i.imgur.com/0QBk4VX.png?1

The Basic TL;DR is to use Muscle Memory and then spam Piece By Piece until using Ing2 Rapid Synthesis 2 is better to finish it off. Just make sure you don't accidentally break the craft!

You can use a rotation similar to this for all high Progress non-HQ recipes, just adjust how many PbP and Rapid Synthesis you need to use.

Hey Taylor for the "balanced melding idea" ariyala link you posted to fulfill both of the rotations posted on the first page, did you mean to select Tempura instead of Seafood since the latter will result in -4CP with both of the rotations?

I just got to 70 crafting with ll my crafters recently, first time I've made it to end game crafting. I've been looking to try and get to the ability to craft 320+ gear. I did fin a couple link to pentameld the 290 gear to get me to the point I could start them. I'm a little confused on the rotations in the original post though. If I pentameld my 290 gear with what I found, I'd end up at 1396 craftsmanship, 1282 control and 469 CP without food. So I'm wondering if that's a good starting point to be able to make the 320+ gear. If so, how does the rotations in the original post work or need tweaked for that. I'm assuming I'd need mostly HQ materials for the crafts with the 290 gear

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I just got to 70 crafting with ll my crafters recently, first time I've made it to end game crafting. I've been looking to try and get to the ability to craft 320+ gear. I did fin a couple link to pentameld the 290 gear to get me to the point I could start them. I'm a little confused on the rotations in the original post though. If I pentameld my 290 gear with what I found, I'd end up at 1396 craftsmanship, 1282 control and 469 CP without food. So I'm wondering if that's a good starting point to be able to make the 320+ gear. If so, how does the rotations in the original post work or need tweaked for that. I'm assuming I'd need mostly HQ materials for the crafts with the 290 gear

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First of all, congratulations on all-70! \o/

Secondly, this thread was created for special 2 star rotations. If you're a fresh all-70, you may wanna practice on regular 2 star rotations first though. Below are a very good collection of 2 star rotations from some very talented crafters on this forum:

Katlyna:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rafting-Macros
Evian:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ial-for-100-HQ.)
Taylor1480:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ls)-Specialist

The 320+ gear you seek are Special 2 star recipes. They're significantly harder than regular 2 star recipes. Taylor has some very neat special 2 star rotations, which he/she put into this thread here, and the following thread too:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Non-RNG-macros

I have also a modified version of Taylor's rotation in Chapter 60 of my crafting guide (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...VBoHPkJE/edit#). But these rotations are "Initial Prep Rotations", so it is assumed that you are crafting i320 while wearing fully melded i320.

So how do you craft i320 with 1396/1282/469? You will need to use the "Maker's Mark Rotation" (MaMa Rotation). It's been out there for awhile. I'm not the one who invented it. But I have my own version written step-by-step in Ch60 of my crafting guide in full details. Of course, a little bit of HQ mat will help with this rotation. But since you're making Snailfish Oil/Ala Mhigan Fiber first. You could potentially test your luck using pure NQ mats on these items first. If you succeed, that's great. If you fail, it's no big deal. As long as you use HQ mat for the rest of your final product, you should be fine. If you still need even more CP for it, try activate Whistle While You Work, which allows you to pump some extra CP from Satisfactions. Good luck!

That's all good info. thanks for the help. probably already answered but another noobish question: are the cross class skill the same regardless of doing the starting 320 items or the more difficult 320 items? I'm not sure I have my cross class abilities set up right. Also I see the images of some sort of simulator being used but I don't think I found the right one since it doesn't seem to put things together as you guys have. maybe it's just a noob thing for me but a little confused

There are different approaches to the 2 star crafts, each using some of the same cross class moves, and each using a few different cross class moves. The longest, yet easiest to do stat-wise, is the old Rath’s Rotation, which uses Maker’s Mark and a ton of Flawless Synthesis.

One that requires higher stats, yet is faster, is the Muscle Memory rotation.

And there’s a specialist-only rotation that involves Initial Preparations, and the Specialist moves that it enables, which I believe (but could be wrong, as I don’t dabble with Specialist moves) takes even higher stats than the Muscle Memory.

All will use Comfort Zone, Ingenuity, and a few other cross class moves, in addition to their rotation-specific choices.

Hi all, a little late to the party but finally crafted and melded my 4.1 gear. I've melded to 1500 Craft / 1450 Con using NQ (vendor) Tempura, or 1520/1470 with specialist. Using HQ food and adding HQ tea pushes to these stats.

http://i.imgur.com/LgtflYi.jpg

I know the best rotations will depend on people's individual stats, but I thought I'd share my approach to add to the general knowledge base. Fits neatly into 2 macros!

Tesla :)

PS: drgnmstr44, the current simulator is at https://ermad.github.io/ffxiv-craft-...pp/#/simulator