Please, my fellow Eorzeans :: Do not hate the lucky housebuyers

I understand your salt, I'm there with you. I wanted a house for my Free Company and I was unable to get one. I hear stories though of people harassing those who DID manage to get housing in Shirogane and it's just ugly. Please manage your spite, rein in your envy and plead with SE for the solution. Unless they're trying to advertise their plot for resale (against TOS) they have every right to it as you do.

Aim your angst where it belongs, at the producer who underestimated the demand and didn't resolve an issue that has been talked about for over a year.

I only saw people angry with immediate resellers - for the most part I bet, gil seller/buyers.
If someone managed to get a plot in shirogane for their own housing enjoyment there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I've heard several friends being called out for buying houses/asking if they will even use them.. rather accusatory, and that shit isn't ok.. sure there will be people like that around, but the vast majority are people that got lucky, while we didn't.. because of, as Eva said. A bad system.

They're not the targets, the system should be. And for the love of Rhalgr, if you do see a gold seller, don't act hostile, don't contact them, just report them, and don't let them know they are reported so they can try to hide their activities

Lucky 4.1 house owners go sit on the corners of your house and revel in your good fortune. I have no hate for you.

Ungrateful house flippers (those who buy a house only to try and sell it at 10x the cost) can get reported banned and set on fire. There is a special place in one of the seven hells for your lot. >:)

Everyone else is either silent because they don't care or up in arms as it is now more painfully obvious than ever that the housing system is not gonna cut it anymore. Changes must be done!

I feel you. On the other hand, everyone who tells the unlucky 80pct of the player base who doesn't have and can't get a house to "get over it" earn and deserve my disdain. Call me and the other thousands "salty" or whatever derogatory name you want.

I'm really happy I got my house and that my FC got to upgrade and I'm really sorry to the people who didn't get one and wanted one. I really had to think twice if I actually wanted a personal residence, but then my FC was trying to get a large that we could all have a hand in creating and that didn't happen. We ended up with a medium and two neighboring personal smalls instead. It's probably our gain and the community's loss.

I feel kinda like the birds in that cartoon where they're all pooping on each other, with the one bird on top grinning wickedly and the two birds in the middling being crapped on and the four below that just taking everything from everyone above them. So I'm not really sorry enough to give it up no matter how many sour grapes or how much saltiness there may be. It just doesn't feel 100% right and I have to acknowledge that yeah, it probably could have been implemented better.

I made a post about housing positivity and I got some positive responses, but most of them were very hateful :(

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Originally Posted by LittleSparrow

I made a post about housing positivity and I got some positive responses, but most of them were very hateful :(

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Well I imagine most people that actually got a house are busy with them atm rather than browsing the forums. People that didn't get a house however are angry and frustrated and need a place where they can vent, aswell as getting heard. The official forums would be the best bet for them. Any positive talk about housing the new couple of days would just be salt in the wound.

we don't hate the FC's that managed to get houses infact we are incredably happy for them as they have probably waiting if not months then years and we know how they must have felt trying to get one before hand. We do however hate those that bought them just to immediately sell them for extortionate prices and alot of the time scam folks and not actually give them the plot after reciving the money. The housing system as is stops alot of FC's from doing content gated by the need for workshops and airships.
if it wer eup to me all houses would be reserved for FC's of at least level 6 and above leaving the apartments for personal use and of course consistantly add a new ward to each of the housing areas every so often. but we know that will never happen.

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Originally Posted by LittleSparrow

I made a post about housing positivity and I got some positive responses, but most of them were very hateful :(

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I can understand their pain. And your post was way to soon. But even then those crying out have a legitimate complaint. The state of acquiring housing in FFXIV is atrocious. Has been from the inception of the system. And to many the apartment add-on is just a slap in the face. Apartment and house are not equal.

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Originally Posted by LittleSparrow

I made a post about housing positivity and I got some positive responses, but most of them were very hateful :(

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You made a thread to brag.

I don't even want a house, I just hate the utter laziness of the developers and their inability to do anything about those flipping houses- whilst shoving new ways for them to milk this game for even more money on to the mogstation.

Apparantly people from reddit have been saying the the community got so salty that people who bought housing in Shirogane were getting temp bans for botting. So, it seems a group of players are being sore losers and have went around reporting players who got property. This shit is freaking pathetic if claims are actually true.

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Originally Posted by DravlinKuraiyoru

I feel you. On the other hand, everyone who tells the unlucky 80pct of the player base who doesn't have and can't get a house to "get over it" earn and deserve my disdain. Call me and the other thousands "salty" or whatever derogatory name you want.

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Totally agree.
After some calculation was done, it was estimated that there are probably enough plots for ~1% of the player base.
This is of course, without taking into account people/FC that bought multiple plots (some even managed to almost buy whole wards)

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Originally Posted by missarielle

I understand your salt, I'm there with you. I wanted a house for my Free Company and I was unable to get one. I hear stories though of people harassing those who DID manage to get housing in Shirogane and it's just ugly. Please manage your spite, rein in your envy and plead with SE for the solution. Unless they're trying to advertise their plot for resale (against TOS) they have every right to it as you do.

Aim your angst where it belongs, at the producer who underestimated the demand and didn't resolve an issue that has been talked about for over a year.

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Actually it is the people who have the house that are being dick. They don't care and show little empathy towards us.

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Originally Posted by ZStar

Actually it is the people who have the house that are being dick. They don't care and show little empathy towards us.

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No, no they are not. Few bad eggs? Quite possible. Most people are just in their houses, happy they got one instead

I'm not mad or hating on the "lucky house buyers." I'm more upset that I didn't get a fighting chance to try to get a house. It took me 6 hours to download the patch, meanwhile it may take others a few minutes to a half hour to download.

Whenever a patch comes out, I do get up very early and download the earliest it will let me but that window isn't very long.

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Originally Posted by Vanazzir_Saracen

we don't hate the FC's that managed to get houses infact we are incredably happy for them as they have probably waiting if not months then years and we know how they must have felt trying to get one before hand. We do however hate those that bought them just to immediately sell them for extortionate prices and alot of the time scam folks and not actually give them the plot after reciving the money. The housing system as is stops alot of FC's from doing content gated by the need for workshops and airships.
if it wer eup to me all houses would be reserved for FC's of at least level 6 and above leaving the apartments for personal use and of course consistantly add a new ward to each of the housing areas every so often. but we know that will never happen.

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This kinda sounds like you assume that people who managed to get a house on their own without an FC all intend to resell them?
I have a personal medium after this patch due to really lucky queues with no errors. I fully intend to make use of the plot. But I am not an idiot--SE needs to fix the housing system.

Wow, I didn't expect something like that happening. Personally I had rather pleasant experience: after failing to grab Shirogane house I ran to Lavender Beds and grabbed perfect (Plot 17 - closest to boat, right next to MB) small house in place of my old Mists one, despite some guy standing at placard before me. After I bought it he congratulated me and said to take good care of his old house :)

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Originally Posted by Moogly

Totally agree.
After some calculation was done, it was estimated that there are probably enough plots for ~1% of the player base.
This is of course, without taking into account people/FC that bought multiple plots (some even managed to almost buy whole wards)

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According to census there is 664,640 active players. IIRC we have 66 servers, which leaves ~10071 players per server. 2880 plots per server. That gives us 28,5%. Even if my numbers were inflated, it's FAR more than 1%.
Pulling random numbers to sound dramatic doesn't help convincing people about problem. Quite opposite.

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Originally Posted by ZStar

Actually it is the people who have the house that are being dick. They don't care and show little empathy towards us.

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Some might be, but most of them (us?) are just fed up with ridiculous suggestions and overreactions of some players. I don't know situations you base your opinion on ofc. I'm just assuming some might come out rude while they simply disagree with you.

I'm happy for those that where lucky enough to get a house. I was one of the players that wasn't able to down load the update to even have a fighting chance due to an error code up until about 9 a.m. my time. The only players that I find disrespectful are the ones that bought up entire wards. How they managed to pull that off is a mystery to me when each player is only allowed to buy one house. The devs dropped the ball on that one. Players buying & selling should not be allowed either. Quite a few players have been talking about quitting because of the housing incident. I wouldn't recommend doing that. Especially after playing the game for such a long time & enjoying the updates battle after battle. It's been fun, fun, fun. Glad I didn't get rid of my house in Mist.

Not to be too cynical, but I'm pretty sure many of the people mad about housing were not this vocal on behalf of players in the brazil or russia regions when prices shifted so much for them that it made it financially difficult for them to play. It's easy to be proactive about something when it only affects you so much.

Big kudos to those that got one yes , but what of those that bragged about buying 60 plots? Still say kudos then? I say greedy. Do you need that many ? no so why do it, simply because your allowed to ? No one stopped you? No self control ? It’s a two way street , yes there is a flaw but exploiting it for personal gain even if it was for a fc or personal home is absurd. Don’t think so next time you go to grocery store and they have something you really want it’s limited edition style food once a year. Then fatty greed butt buys it all even the pallets in the back all because they can . Still fair?

There is no reason, to hate the people and Guild, who managed to get their first House.
The only hate I saw, was against the scalpers, who just bought the Houses to sell them for more Gil later.

The people are frustrated by the Situation and dissapointed by the Developers, for not doing anything better, compared to the last time.
Now it might be even worse, because many people used their Twinks to buy those Houses.

I got a small House around a Year ago the middle of the Night, but I believe, that we can find a better solution for everybody. Everybody deserves to enjoy this kind of content of the Game.
I absolutly don't support the people with Houses, who just say "Nah, get over it.".