Dungeon gear is nearly useless

The loot system in dungeons should be improved. Nearly every drop hits the floor these days. They are useful for those upgrading optional jobs, but for those that run a single job having the drops are meaningless. They are out geared as soon as, or if not, shortly after running dungeons a couple times.

It would be more viable to have random stat gear drops from dungeons, in my opinion rather than the stagnant stat gear that we get.

Its really the only thing people liked from exploratory missions, why not bring that aspect to dungeon gear as it might actually prove more useful than seeing the message "item was unobtainable".

If anyone has a good answer to why the system is currently like this, and why it shouldn't be improved, please let me know.

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Originally Posted by samurailargo

It would be more viable to have random stat gear drops from dungeons, in my opinion rather than the stagnant stat gear that we get.

Its really the only thing people liked from exploratory missions, why not bring that aspect to dungeon gear as it might actually prove more useful than seeing the message "item was unobtainable".

If anyone has a good answer to why the system is currently like this, and why it shouldn't be improved, please let me know.

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the gear is good for seals to turn in.

other than that even with random stat gear, there comes a point you dont need dungeon gear anymore so it doesnt even matter. There's better stuff out there, i.e. raid gear/tome gear.

Pink dungeon gears(random stat) were a thing on pre lv50, I'm not sure the reason they don't continue the trend btw.

As for the gears, If I can't desyn them, I was turning in them into company seal but recently I just sell them to npc for some gils (worth more than seal for my world's eco) so I'm not sure why ppl let it drop to the floor.

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Originally Posted by silverlunarfox

There's better stuff out there, i.e. raid gear/tome gear.

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There will always be better stuff out there. Come 4.2 the current raid gear will be almost worthless. The dungeon gear now is trash anyways. At least it would be nice to experience finding random stat gear to play around with for a short time that is not game breaking for raids. I'd like to optimize my gear for other jobs. I need it.


As for seals, kinda worthless outside from a few things.

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Originally Posted by samurailargo

There will always be better stuff out there. Come 4.2 the current raid gear will be almost worthless. The dungeon gear now is trash anyways. At least it would be nice to experience finding random stat gear to play around with for a short time that is not game breaking for raids. I'd like to optimize my gear for other jobs. I need it.


As for seals, kinda worthless outside from a few things.

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Yes but I think for dungeons its simply easier for everyone to get the same thing. While I do agree with having gear with random stats like diadem has, I can't see them ever changing dungeons for the simple fact they want everyone to be "equal" in a way. Esp for the casual crowd which they will always cater too.

For seals I use it heavily in crafting/ventures so I always can use more. :D

It's funny how people say it's useless yet see people under geared -.-;; and people still complain when higher levels lot it for seals...what a strange thing -.-/

Don't forget about glamour but if the new 70 dungeons are not going to drop weapons or if no dungeon drops a weapon then why is the dungeon even exist? I thought the point of the dungeon was to get better gear for when you get something even better but you still have glamour options... Just let endgame dungeons drop weapons already... Is it really that hard?

You can have them randomized if you'd like stat wise, but they will get out dated just as quickly. While the gear in dungeons does seem to get stale quickly, randomizing it will not really help much at all. They will still get turned in for seals.

This is just an issue with the way the game is designed with iLV's being so dominate in everything. It lets you start to collect new gear quickly but at the same time it leaves other gear sets behind in the dust rather quickly.

The resolution would be a combination of a new gear system mixed with a giant QoL adjustment.

I think the point you (the op) needs to get is dungeon gear is stepping stool..not a permanent set as per-se minus glamour.

I would like to see more pink (aether) gear however.

But i think its working as intended.

I would like to see RNG stop giving you duplicates and rotate the loot table in favor of items you don't have...like the ruby staff i fought for and never got after 20 tries - only to find out i could have gotten something better at next dungeon >.<;;;

(yes the irony isn't lost on me)

-Neph

The game was designed from the ground up to be a grind. Unlike some other MMOs, high-end gear acquisition has more to do with the amount of time you have to play than with player skill. The lack of skill trees and character builds make all content completely gear-based, which is unfortunate.

Dungeons have always been a 'catch-up' mechanic, if you want more 'useful' gear it's capped tomestones and weekly raids.

That said, I would absolutely love harder difficultly dungeons that dropped more relevant iLvl gear; e.g. for the current tier you could have 'hard' dungeons that drop i325 (above normal raid, but below 24 man / savage raid) and even 'savage' dungeons that drop weekly i335 (above 24 man, but still below savage raid).

As for RNG gear, no thanks, this game has enough RNG... wouldn't mind seeing more customisable gear though, e.g. lower base stats but with 3/4/5 materia slots.

I guess this is about lv70 dungeon gear?
Well the 315 sets are the highest level direct drop gear without a lockout you can get.
you could get more from Omega normal but it only uses a token system without a guaranteed drop.
the crafted set is gated behind gil. everything higher is gated by weekly tomestones, savage or 24men lockout.

so it is not that bad if you wanna try and gear multiple jobs. I just wish they would also add fitting weapons as well and give out 2 drops per dungeon. (Skalla is a bitch here)

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Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure

Just let endgame dungeons drop weapons already... Is it really that hard?

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Is it really that hard to get a primal weapon or one for the tomestones? :eek:
There are already so many ways of optaining a proper weapon. Either from more or less hard content like savage raids or ex primals and the easy but grindy way through tomestones. Choose which one suits you best and then go get the weapon you want/need. :)

Glamour is true endgame. Or turn in for seals for other stuff.

The dungeon gear ain't that bad for people who are new and haven't had a chance to farm verity, creation, or Omega so the gear is not a bad stepping stone for them to get to where they need to be. Plus even if someone didn't need the gear I always take what I can from dungeons for seal turn in. Its just a waste to let gear hit the ground.

Just saying, you don't need tomestone gear to unlock everything this time around, also you can convert dungeon gear into materias if you fancy that

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

I think the point you (the op) needs to get is dungeon gear is stepping stool..not a permanent set as per-se minus glamour

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Here lies the problem, it used to be a stepping stone but now it is not.

We should need dungeon gear to beat the primal, and a primal weapon to beat the raid, with a smattering of tome gear mixed in, however the primals and raids these days are tuned with such a low gear check that it makes the stepping stone gear worthless because you can do the top stone with the previous tiers gear. Making stricter gear checks is the only way to make dungeon gear relevant

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Making stricter gear checks is the only way to make dungeon gear relevant

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Except it still won't be relevant. We had i310 uncapped tome gear at a time the highest dungeon gear was i300. Of course people are gonna go straight for the i310, making dungeon gear irrelevant - you get i310 from the same dungeons you get i300 from, gee, guess what people pick! It just now overcame it by a mere 5 item levels, at a time where people had long since had ample opportunities to gather up 330 and 320 gear - heck, if you capped tomes religiously, you probably are wearing all 330 by now, without ever touching a primal and without necessarily touching the raid either - you only need the raid for the weapon. It simply lags behind other gearing alternatives.

And because dungeon gear lags behind other gearing alternatives, making stricter gear checks would only make dungeon gear even less relevant, because the result of stricter gear check is that you need to replace more of your inferior, i.e. dungeon gear with superior gear, i.e. tome/crafted. You achieve the opposite effect of what you want to achieve.

Look at it this way;

Dungeon gear = gear you don't purchase, can be enhanced by materia, designed mainly for lazy players who don't want to craft, have no gill.

For those who do relics or craft it's a great source for seals. If your a relic user or enthusiast we use seals for material used for relics that can be used or crafted. For standard crafters is a source of items used to craft.

In conclusion; Dungeon gear is only useless to those who complain because they have bad luck with RNG or really have no idea what to do or how to use it from a broader perspective.

Hint on common sense; if your leveling multiple jobs you can farm dungeon gear while raising another and have at a minimum acceptable gear. Chances are you will get a full set eventually.

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Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

It's funny how people say it's useless yet see people under geared -.-;; and people still complain when higher levels lot it for seals...what a strange thing -.-/

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The problem with the game is that limited tomestone gear and Omega Savage is the only gear that is worth anything. Basically everything else is just trash for seals or de-synthesis at this point.

Desynth, sell, turn it in for seals, save it for your next job (this is what I did for all MCH drops since MCH was my next job and I don't have to buy as much gear from the MB anymore).

Belts. Keep them coming.

Not.

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Originally Posted by samurailargo

It would be more viable to have random stat gear drops from dungeons, in my opinion rather than the stagnant stat gear that we get.

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Erm, well no.
This has been seen on other mmos and many hate it (me included).
After tanking a crazy savage for hours, I get a super sword with tons of Skill Speed... no thanks.
You can always greed gear for GC seals or desynth, so it's never a waste.

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Originally Posted by samurailargo

The loot system in dungeons should be improved. Nearly every drop hits the floor these days. They are useful for those upgrading optional jobs, but for those that run a single job having the drops are meaningless. They are out geared as soon as, or if not, shortly after running dungeons a couple times.

It would be more viable to have random stat gear drops from dungeons, in my opinion rather than the stagnant stat gear that we get.

Its really the only thing people liked from exploratory missions, why not bring that aspect to dungeon gear as it might actually prove more useful than seeing the message "item was unobtainable".

If anyone has a good answer to why the system is currently like this, and why it shouldn't be improved, please let me know.

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How is it useless? I indirectly make millions off of it.