Patch 4.1 Trailer Discussion

Surprised this one didn't go up this morning.

We've got 11 days until the revelations thread - what'd people think?

Hints to a summoning in the throne room drew my attention (not that we didn't suspect the Qalyana situation might not go entirely well, but who's to say it's them for sure).

I went back through my 1.0 screen shot folder - the Raubhan flashback is almost beat-for-beat the same as the quest where you see him win his final fight on the Bloodsands and gain his place in the Syndicate. That was a very nice touch.

I wonder if the Pipin line - "Is this truly what you want?" is from that c/s and they're just throwing it in as a red herring

I feel like Nanamo comes to the Scions about Raubahn; is she worried that he may leave Ul'dah, or upset about it? Lolorito always makes me wary when he comes back to the MSQ, even moreso since the Scions invite him around...

Arvenald gets a lot of screentime in the trailer. Good to see he's becoming more important to the story. I've always liked him

I noticed the scene between Lyse and Fordola has the Echo filter on it...seems like an odd thing to have an Echo about. Guessing it means something between them doesn't go in a way one (or both) of them want us to know.

And yeah, don't want to see Lakshmi again, hopefully its something else...

Also, (completely unrelated to the lore, but whatever)
https://i.imgur.com/OYrngkp.png?1
(insert DRG joke here)

I just want Ramza's hair!!! We need new hairstyles

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Lolorito always makes me wary when he comes back to the MSQ, even moreso since the Scions invite him around...

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While I'd never trust Lolorito, I at least like where (I think) his character development has settled for the time being. For how much power, wealth, and influence he wants, he seems to know that actually governing is a massive pain in the ass. Weakening the Sultana was all well and fine in times of peace, but Ul'dah without a strong central government in a time of war would devastate his net profit. So long as Nanamo grows up and rules well, I think he's content to have her carry the burdens of rule (at least for "this year") and invest whatever is needed to keep the spice flowing.

Though I do wonder why we're coming to him. Security forces as Ala Mhigo goes to hell? Construction resources to see the city refortified? General monetary investments in exchange for rights to real estate and trade? ... Someone good at outwitting dissent?

(Also, yes, the throwback to There Might Be Blood was excellent.)

Maybe I'm just imagining it but that Echo shield seems to be a bit bigger than the one we used in 4.0.

And is that Hashmal and Mateus I see in Rabanastre?

They are indeed Hashmal and Mateus, glad to see the Espers joining in this time around (Minstrel shenanigans would also explain their prescence, we don't know yet). Hoping Minstrel shenanigans ALSO protect us from Haukke Halicarnassus/Omega Halicarnassus headaches in case they need/want to use the Espers/Lucavi's names down the road (like, Altima, Exodus-even-if-we-technically-already-have-Exdeath, the previously "introduced" Belias, and such)

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Originally Posted by Lutefisk

Maybe I'm just imagining it but that Echo shield seems to be a bit bigger than the one we used in 4.0.

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I believe it's probably because Arvenald can do the Echo shield too??

For my response to the OPs post:
What could possibly the Scions need Lolorito for? And the part about Pipin asking Raubahn, "Is this truly what you want father?" This is just a theory so don't take it seriously, but I get the feeling that Raubahn may leave Ul'dah so he can be in charge of Ala Mhigo; he just seems the right guy to lead the country and keep the people in check. Furthermore, the summoning in the throne room, I bet some people are gonna get tempered and we'll have to kill them...
And lastly, Lyse is going to let Fordola live even if she says there's no point in keeping her alive.

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Originally Posted by DreamAngel-Ren

Furthermore, the summoning in the throne room, I bet some people are gonna get tempered and we'll have to kill them...

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Given how we see Raubahn cut down a resistance member it's safe to assume.

I'm quite curious about Return to Ivalice and specifically how it will connect with the Ascians. I'm loath to believe Return to Ivalice will simply be just our vivid imaginations at work, and even if it is it would be quite the coincidence if major characters in a Garlean fairytale just so happen to share names with Voidsent that have attempted to cause the apocalypse multiple times even before the first Garlean was born. Regardless of how they'll implement Ivalice there are DEFINITELY going to be implications.

Raubahn cutting down a resistance member is probably not because they're tempered. Why would he issue them a challenge/threat if he was just going to kill them? Most likely they're fighting because of some other disagreement.

As for Lolorito, it's simple enough to assume that the Scions are mediating a truce between him and Nanamo. Not the most satisfying answer, but the simplest one has, more often than not, been the correct one in FF XIV.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

They are indeed Hashmal and Mateus, glad to see the Espers joining in this time around (Minstrel shenanigans would also explain their prescence, we don't know yet). Hoping Minstrel shenanigans ALSO protect us from Haukke Halicarnassus/Omega Halicarnassus headaches in case they need/want to use the Espers/Lucavi's names down the road (like, Altima, Exodus-even-if-we-technically-already-have-Exdeath, the previously "introduced" Belias, and such)

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Well, since it's apparently a part of the lore now, Halicarnassus in Haukke Manor was named as such because of how 'similar' she was to the Halicarnassus in the FFV fairytale (I think this was mentioned on the lore panel). So going by that, I think it'll be fine... maybe.

Anyway, the final boss of the Ivalice raid appears to be of the Zodiac sign, Taurus. Chaos is Taurus in FFXII, but since that doesn't look like Chaos at all... Duma (and Exodus will probably be 'Sel,' if it makes an appearance in the future).

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Originally Posted by Mysterysword

As for Lolorito, it's simple enough to assume that the Scions are mediating a truce between him and Nanamo. Not the most satisfying answer, but the simplest one has, more often than not, been the correct one in FF XIV.

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I highly doubt it's the case. One Tales From The Dragonson War sidestory has their feud dealt with, with Lolorito surrendering Teledji's assets and half of his own wealth to the crown. The two are in good terms, for now, as long Nanamo doesn't try to cause another..... instability.

I can only assume that we'll need Lolorito for his connections, to what end I'm still not sure but it may have something to do to counteract possible Garlemald's hostile response after Ala Mhigo liberation. The man once did try to stop the Empire's invasion with his wealth.

The summoning maybe Lakshmi again, given the presence of the Qalyana. I'm also curious if the Resistance we face maybe one of the many factions. We only interacted with Conrad's faction, so I wonder if it's the case.

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Originally Posted by Mieck

I went back through my 1.0 screen shot folder - the Raubhan flashback is almost beat-for-beat the same as the quest where you see him win his final fight on the Bloodsands and gain his place in the Syndicate. That was a very nice touch. I wonder if the Pipin line - "Is this truly what you want?" is from that c/s and they're just throwing it in as a red herring

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I suspect the Colosseum scene is a recollection by Pipin, and I think the lalafell's line — "Is this truly what you want?" — possibly comes from Pipin's tale, recalling the moment when he was taken aback that Raubahn had worked to secure his liberty before his own.

And, oh, it seems that the WoL finally confronts the lalafell who's been stalking Nashu since Heavensward.

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Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf

I suspect the Colosseum scene is a recollection by Pipin, and I think the lalafell's line — "Is this truly what you want?" — possibly comes from Pipin's tale, recalling the moment when he was taken aback that Raubahn had worked to secure his liberty before his own.

And, oh, it seems that the WoL finally confronts the lalafell who's been stalking Nashu since Heavensward.

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Hasn't that Lala been skulking around since one of the early 2.0 Hildibrand quests? (no idea if he was in the 1.x ones)

At this point Lolorito is neither an antagonist nor a good guy, if his intent was to gain power he already had the chance and decided not to take it, his only intent is money and by being in our good side he's making a lot of it, we even indirectly help him through two side quests, one where you help his... niece? in Kugane, and another where you facilitate illegal trade between his company and the confederation, on top of him likely trying to be the first to make trade deals with the two cities you liberated. As long as he's gaining something from it he's not gonna work against us.

I have been beyond happy with this trailer, my only complaint it's too short! Let's freak out frame by frame now...

Meeting Lolorito in the Waking Sands where a statue of the man is right outside is all too fitting. What could him and Nanamo be on about? Perhaps the coming instability in the Syndicate now that Raubahn's homeland is free what happens next for the sole Royalist?

"We the people" immediately conjures to mind what I suspect kind of government Raubahn will suggest. Arenvald continuing to be a Scion-in-Action in Ala Mhigo is nice.

Will Skalla feature in the MSQ? Eh, I don't think! The nightmarish Manticore and ridiculous portrait of a man call to mind Maduin for some reason unknown to me though.

The Echo scenes should be Lyse and Fordola whinging about an Ala Mhigo for all and give us some backstory for Fordola. The man protecting her seems to share the same tattoo. I feel with the woman looking on in verity gear while a man in verity gear protects her are her ... parents? Her father shielding her from the scorn and stones of other Ala Mhigans as they've enlisted her in Garlean education, probably wanting their daughter to have a better life.

Recreation of Raubahn winning his seat on the Syndicate! Yess!! Is this truly what you want Father? FOR ME TO BECOME THE NEXT FLAME GENERAL?

Every shot of Unending Coil shows a dead player, lol. They really expect it to be difficult! (Including the party being chained to the dead player before Teraflare, yikes)

What the hell is going on in the Throne Room? (I speak for the Resistance sounds so much like a Lorax "I speak for the trees" here Lyse) That the Qiqirn are represented gives me hope we'll see them in coming Beast Tribe dailies finally. Fordola has an Echo vision... perhaps the Resosnant will show us the Future!? It very much sounds like a Primal and Tempering occurs... but which? Our new "shield others" technique getting use with Arenvald's help though I wouldn't write too much on the Blue Flames being another Lakshmi.

Rival Wings looks exciting and I enjoy that it's "training exercises against Machina for battles vs Garlemald" Obviously we're prepping for a foray to Ilsabard!?

The clawed hand holding what looks auracite engraved with the Taurus symbol while Trisection plays and we fight Hashmal and Mateus and Ba'Gamnan!? Who is the man in the Sharlayan coat kidnapped by Bangaa we rescue who speaks to Ramza and this redhead? They've melded the different eras of Ivalice well so far, but this man ... Arazlam? Dycedarg? Some likely new character!?

Taurus matches with ... Chaos, I think for Ivalice Espers--I wonder if Keita's charioteer is XIV's rendition of Chaos? Truthfully I'd be a little letdown though, lol. Chariot, Hashmal, Mateus is only 3 bosses, unless Ba'Gamnan is the 4th, this'd be the first time we didn't see every 24-man boss in the preview, I think. To go from massive Espers to some Bangaa would be kind of a letdown, though lol. Original Lucavi names would be very nice, Duma, yes but then we run into the issue of the Pisces Leviathan. Considering Leviathan's already dubious relationship with Thalaos, maaaaaaaaannnnnnnn

Mateus is Pisces and Ba'Gamnan is most likely going to be the final boss (he most likely becomes the Taurus Lucavi). He's the one holding the Zodiac Stone in the trailer.

Of all the potential Lecavi/Espers appearing in this raid, I think only Chaos (reference to FFI's Chaos), Exodus (obviously Exdeath) and Zeromus (reference to FFIV's Zeromus) will be given their 'Ivalice' names from FFT (Duma, Sel and Zebbeb), while the rest keep their XII names.

Or maybe (unlikely) it's Mitron the Chastiser, Scion of Light (assuming Scions of Light and Dark share the same Zodiac sign).

They've used the Light Scion names, including Mitron, for Ascians already. It's not a zero chance, but I feel like that'd be much weirder than Halicarnassus. I feel Exodus could work, but agree Zeromus and Chaos should be left alone. I forgot about Mateus being the Piscean Esper in XII, woops! And good catch on the Ba'Gamnan hand, it didn't even occur to me to scrutinize his grubby little paws, lol

I'm also of the opinion that despite being involved with a theatre company and the odd ruined Rabanastre concept art (and Garlemald destroying it) it's not a Minstrel Ballad canon thing...Cid being there with Ramza and our rescued Sharlayan-robed captive seems to cement to me that it might be something that's actually happening. That Raven reporter there too is something that influences me to think it's "real," a tabloid reporter doesn't often make for a good hero in bardic tales, eh? The garb says Raven and we know Kipih Jakkya is a Miqo'te in their employ but the hair colour isn't right... we also know that the various tabloids of Eorzea played a part in another crossover w/ Lightning Returns!

I'm wondering if the resistance member that General Aldynn killed was a disguised corpse brigade member. I imagine that they might want to have control over how Ala Mhigo is governed. Most likely so that they can create another mad king, or just mess with the people of Ala Gryrria. They have to be having a big role in it since they are becoming more active according to the various NPCs and the leader of Little Ala Mhigo.

The Corpse Brigade was kind of active in the MNK quests... but Milleuda, the leader of the Corpse Brigade, survives her FATE in Southern Thanalan and her namesake is from Tactics... so it's not a stretch that she'll come back with the coming Ivalicean content on the rise!

I wonder if anyone noticed that the unnamed chariot boss uses a skill around 3:46 of the trailer that is the same animation of a skill unique to Meliadoul and other Divine Knight special job characters in FFT which destroys it's target's helm equipment (named unimaginatively Crush Helm). If the boss is a human turned Lucavi, that might open up his identity to other options. It's even possible this boss might not have anything to do with the Taurus Lucavi- after all, he looks absolutely nothing like a bull, and most if not all Zodiac Espers usually have something that identifies each to their zodiac.

Hmmm, y'know, you could be right on that (the final boss not being a Lucavi at all). Though I'm still willing to believe that our Bangaa (not) friend will become a host to the Taurus Lucavi. I only have the wiki to go by (because I don't have a PSP and FFT never came out in Australia on the PS1), but aren't the Lucavi capable of possessing people once they touch the Auracite?

It's possible the host had to have a certain compatibility with the stone (as shown with Virgo and Alma) or had to enter a pact with the stone (shown with Aries and Wiegraf) in order for possession to take place, but that is generally correct. I do think that Ba'gamnan ends up becoming the Chariot boss, what with all the lizard-like scales on the boss' artwork, but I'm still not convinced he uses to Taurus stone to do it, if only because if he did, you would think he would be riding a bull instead of some kinda demon horse lizard thing. Lol the artwork is so much closer to how Exodus looks as well. Maybe him being a Bangaa affects the transformation? That would be strange though...

Maybe. Just watching the trailer again: the Bangaa jump down from an airship, take someone hostage (Hyur/Hume/meatbag), appears to be holding something (Auracite obvs) and then shoots. What if the Chariot Abomination is actually a guardian and is also the third boss and we've yet to actually see the final boss/Lucavi.

Wouldn't that be neat~

Yeah, only 3 bosses were shown in the trailer, and none of the trash packs/minibosses.

Lot that was not shown for the raid

I'm most excited about the new raid - I adore Ivalice and it seems like it's going to be a love letter to fans of the setting. The new dungeon interests me a great deal as well - the interior of the ruins look surprisingly intact which makes me wonder if there were survivors down there who were trapped and could not get out, thus resorting to dark measures in an effort to preserve themselves. It could explain why there's sinister looking creatures occupying the place at present.

There's something that's making a lot of noise for me after rewatching the trailer. When first walks in to Fordola's cell, she's carrying a sword (Fordola's, if I remember correctly) and it's right in the middle of the camera; after it switches to Ala Mhigo, then when we come back to Lyse and Fordola, the sword is nowhere to be seen. Could be just a goof or could be Lyse giving Fordola back her sword for...some reason?