SMN does not need Sustain back. It needs an Enhanced Rouse.

Please stop asking for Sustain back. Old sustain was 8% every 3 seconds for 10 seconds... Thats 24-32% of your pets hp... every 10 seconds. That is just awful. It is literally a GCD that will rot your DPS and the braindead SMN/SCH that think its helping.

Yoshi-P has already said physick won't be getting the INT based RDM treatment for lore reasons, and even if it did, you face the same issue. You are wasting GCDS and you have to add yet another button to your bar!

Instead, they should change Rouse. Give it a heal over time effect or a full heal. If going the heal over time effect, they should extend the duration of Rouse to 21 seconds.


https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...Rouse_Icon.png Rouse-

Increases healing magic potency and damage dealt by pet by 40%.
While roused, pet will be immune to stun, sleep, bind, and heavy.

Additional effect- Pet is healed 16% of its health every 3 seconds. (Comes out to 106% of their health. Rouse gets buffed by 1 second OR full heal effect.)
Duration: 21s

That feels extremely tacked on and braindead. Heals should be something you can use out of convenience when needed, not as a natural part of your DPS rotation. Need a pet heal? Too late, you used it 22 seconds ago during your rotation.

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Originally Posted by Pence

That feels extremely tacked on and braindead. Heals should be something you can use out of convenience when needed, not as a natural part of your DPS rotation. Need a pet heal? Too late, you used it 22 seconds ago during your rotation.

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Every time you summon Bahamut, your pet gets healed. In a 5 minute fight you can use it 3 times with optimal DPS.


SOURCE: Look at top SMN FFLOG posts for SMNs. Heres an example one. Summon Bahamut is cast 3 times

Bahamut cannot be roused, therefore, you only use it when hes not available. So with enhanced Rouse in a 5 minute fight, while actively using Bahamut you can heal your pet to full 8 times, on top of AOE heals going out from healers. I'm really not sure how you could even actively make your pet die so much. Purposefully placing in cleaves???

In open world, they need to allow chocobos to heal your pet and its 100% fine there too.

I saw pets that just got rekt like ... like a tank that forgets to block a crit hit with his cd's.

In my last 30~ runs nothing like this happend for me.

I think my key is pet control, its annoying but if you wanna play Summoner learn to control your pet.

Instant oGCD that heals for 10% every 3s for 15s or so sounds fine to my non-SMN ears.

Why was Sustain removed in the first place or why wasn't it's effect added (via traits) to Physick?

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Originally Posted by Officer_Cat

I think my key is pet control, its annoying but if you wanna play Summoner learn to control your pet.

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This +1

Sustain is/was asked for solo/openworld content and Titan - you actually never needed it for the dps ones - but for the tank one which without sustain is nearly useless at all. That's why people want it back and not cause they have problems with the dps ones in inis or savage.

To be fair there was absolutely nothing to lose by having Sustain to begin with. I mean OP is saying that's it's a waste of a GCD and hotbar slot, but Sustain itself could be cast as many times as you want just like Physick, there was no real cooldown to it (except 1-2 sec recast time?). It was just a Regen for your pet and a pretty potent one at that. Actual SMN DPS also wouldn't suffer if you were using the action efficiently anyway. As for hotbar space, well it's always been a matter of playstyle on whether a player would utilize all of their actions or not, but Sustain falls under micromanaging the pet so you'd kinda be limiting yourself if didn't haven't it just because of hotbar space.

The Enchanced Rouse is just a complete jumble of actions, like macroing Sustain and Rouse together unnecessarily.

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Originally Posted by Neela

This +1

Sustain is/was asked for solo/openworld content and Titan - you actually never needed it for the dps ones - but for the tank one which without sustain is nearly useless at all. That's why people want it back and not cause they have problems with the dps ones in inis or savage.

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My pet gets owned by unavoidable AoE, has nothing to do with soloing. I don't know about others but I would like sustain back for stuff like that. Usually the healer will AoE heal and the pet will catch it but sometimes it doesn't..I am not going to be moving my pet every second depending on where the healer moves and the party in stuff like the 24 man raids. Sure Bahamut usually heals the pet back to full but there are times when I can't get him out fast enough.

Im sorry but i can't find ANY way to get my Pet to die, as long as i say my pet where to stand ... the pet can take AOE's but i think that queens waltz like in o3s can kill it .. thats the point where you tell your pet to stand in the save area.

Thats it !

Ill make a video for you if you want. Ill do nothing and my pet dies over and over, ill say him where to stand, my pet is fine.

The simplest way is just say him to come to you but then dont stand 500 yards away so your ifrit needs to run 10 seconds, stand near the boss.

Best example i have in my mind, Susano and his Stormsplitter.
Tell your pet to stand behind him otherwise im sure it will die.

Meh the only time my pet was dying was in zurvan ex before stormblood so sustain isn't really the problem but memes.

Honestly removing Rouse at this point would be better. It's the hardest skill to fit in cleanly amongst all the other lockouts. It doesn't work with Bahamut, and therefore has to be used after spending Aetherflow but ideally before/during DWT, making it hard to line up in the opener and likely to collide with Bahamut if not properly managed, and on top of all that it offers the least dps gain. 40% is a lot but it's on your pet, which deals around 25% less damage than you would, while having weaker skills to burst with during that time, aside from Enkindle (Not guaranteed to line up thanks to the proc).

I wouldn't be opposed to giving back Sustain as a cooldown in it's stead with the %HP Regen and Rouse's CC immunity effect. Ideally this would come with a fairy buff to even it out (slight potency boost to Fey Union and maybe Embrace), but that's cause SCH has it rough too.

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Originally Posted by Grimoire-M

This.

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This is a better idea than putting Regen on Rouse, but I'd honestly rather just get the spell back.

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Originally Posted by Ceallach

This is a better idea than putting Regen on Rouse, but I'd honestly rather just get the spell back.

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Regen on rouse would be fine...........if they remove the 1min recast and change it to either 10sec or 30secs.

What about those doing solo content without rouse or bahamut? or just trying to solo stuff in general as an arcanist or low level summoner?

And even then, it's not like they are taking away something to add in sustain, so why does it mean so much for you for it not to come back?

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Originally Posted by blindfoldedkaos

What about those doing solo content without rouse or bahamut? or just trying to solo stuff in general as an arcanist or low level summoner?

And even then, it's not like they are taking away something to add in sustain, so why does it mean so much for you for it not to come back?

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I mean at this point, its coming back. Say hello to the Summoners in your roulettes using sustain every 10 seconds to heal 1/4th of their pets health because they can waste time casting sustain, rather than placing their pet outside of the cleave. Enhanced Rouse was just a way to keep your pets health up, by doing good SMN things, like casting rouse. They are also reducing the cost/cast time of Summon, so I guess your GCD benediction. xD They could have just allowed chocobos to heal pets in overworld content, but meh. Waste your GCDS. :p Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

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Once again, I ask. What about those without rouse or bahamut? aka anyone under level 42 or doing solo content?

From your perspective you are hating it because you have had bad experiences with summoners, and your argument is basically boils down to. "I don't like W doing X because they should be doing Y all the time"

That's almost like me saying "Red mages shouldn't have a heal or a raise because they should be focusing on DPS and nothing else" or "Tanks should tank, and not dps" or "Healers should focus on healing and not trying to dps"

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

I mean at this point, its coming back. Say hello to the Summoners in your roulettes using sustain every 10 seconds to heal 1/4th of their pets health because they can waste time casting sustain, rather than placing their pet outside of the cleave. Enhanced Rouse was just a way to keep your pets health up, by doing good SMN things, like casting rouse. They are also reducing the cost/cast time of Summon, so I guess your GCD benediction. xD They could have just allowed chocobos to heal pets in overworld content, but meh. Waste your GCDS. :p Oh well.

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Why is this the hill you want to die on?

Don't think I've ever used sustain besides when I was in solo content I think it's more of a optional benefit instead of something needed.....I will never use it outside of solo content because my pet has yet to die in Savage or like expert roulette lol

Like people have said, Sustain would be mostly used for solo-content which is usually the time Titan-Egi is in use.

Why would I waste time casting it on my pet in group-content when I can just as easily hit "swift cast" followed by instantly re-summoning my pet with a full health bar?

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Originally Posted by Demeos

Like people have said, Sustain would be mostly used for solo-content which is usually the time Titan-Egi is in use.

Why would I waste time casting it on my pet in group-content when I can just as easily hit "swift cast" followed by instantly re-summoning my pet with a full health bar?

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Because resummoning the pet can be a waste of mp unless it is actually dead. The MP lost could of been used to continue DPS output, although MP used to cast will be reduced come 4.1. So perhaps such an idea could work then but with Sustain returning it probably wouldn't matter anyway.

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Originally Posted by Demeos

Like people have said, Sustain would be mostly used for solo-content which is usually the time Titan-Egi is in use.

Why would I waste time casting it on my pet in group-content when I can just as easily hit "swift cast" followed by instantly re-summoning my pet with a full health bar?

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Because I try to keep Swiftcast available for Raise or Bahamut phase.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

My pet gets owned by unavoidable AoE, has nothing to do with soloing.

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I wonder in which kind of content your egi gets owned that often by "unavoidable" aoe dmg...? q.q