Question to WARs with BiS

Genji Axe, Genji Pants, full Lost Allagen else, Genji Neck(?), and full pentamelded accs.

How does it feel? I did Arylia and it showed that, with this set up, I would be sitting at 700 skillspeed.

Currently, for me, 1000ish skillspeed feels great, and I am a bit concerned about droping almost 300 SkS.

To those already at BiS, how does it feel?

I'm not quite bis yet (just need one more twine), but I'm sitting in the middle of the recommended recast time (2.41-2.46) and it feels perfectly fine to me. Back in midas I had a big drop in sks when I went from the lore axe to the 240 relic, and I adjusted pretty quickly. It's not really a huge deal.

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Originally Posted by Hruodig

I'm not quite bis yet (just need one more twine), but I'm sitting in the middle of the recommended recast time (2.41-2.46) and it feels perfectly fine to me. Back in midas I had a big drop in sks when I went from the lore axe to the 240 relic, and I adjusted pretty quickly. It's not really a huge deal.

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What's your burst rotation during Inner Release?
I find myself having great trouble trying to execute 6 FCs, 2 Onslaught + Upheavel with my current 2.39 GCD because IR or Berserk wears off first. My GCD needs to be around 2.35 if I am to execute it properly without any problems.

How to you calculate GCD from SkS?is there a knows formula?

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Originally Posted by mosaicex

What's your burst rotation during Inner Release?
I find myself having great trouble trying to execute 6 FCs, 2 Onslaught + Upheavel with my current 2.39 GCD because IR or Berserk wears off first. My GCD needs to be around 2.35 if I am to execute it properly without any problems.

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Heavy swing (berserk+inner release)->Fell cleave(Onslaught+upheaval)->Fell Cleave->Fell cleave->maim->storm's path->fell cleave->fell cleave->fell cleave (onslaught)->heavy swing

Double weaving onslaught and upheaval isn't mandatory by any means and you can easily just push upheaval to the next ogcd.

I'm not convinced that that set is BiS for WAR (not that there's really much difference at our current stat levels). Personally, I've been going for Critical Hit (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/12ZFZ).

As for Skill Speed, 2.44 GCD is serviceable, but I think 2.4-2.39 GCD is best. I wouldn't go any lower than that, however.

Personally, I kept the Genji head and feet to keep a 2.4 GCD.
I'm full 240 left and crafted right and I feel it'd be a waste to spend the creation and the twines for minor side upgrade.
And I don't really feel much stonger than I was in full crafted pendamelded gear on week 1.
Only the Genji axe made a nice difference.

What even is BiS? I've seen a lot of people arguing over tenacity builds, crit builds, or a mix of SS/DET builds.

Right now I'm running heavy tenacity with DH melds on the left for progression, and it's worked fine for me, but my other PLD tank hits close to my DPS numbers due to being pentamelded and more crit-det oriented

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Originally Posted by Areic

What even is BiS? I've seen a lot of people arguing over tenacity builds, crit builds, or a mix of SS/DET builds.

Right now I'm running heavy tenacity with DH melds on the left for progression, and it's worked fine for me, but my other PLD tank hits close to my DPS numbers due to being pentamelded and more crit-det oriented

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according to xeno, it's full crit, which makes the genji pants not bis in his view. he argues dps gained from those big crit FCs override any dps lost when compared to other builds.

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Originally Posted by Hierro

according to xeno, it's full crit, which makes the genji pants not bis in his view. he argues dps gained from those big crit FCs override any dps lost when compared to other builds.

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This can be true if you're speedrunning, since it's basically killing something over and over again while optimizing strategies. In the end when the strategy has been optimized enough, the additional dps gain from further optimization is marginal, and it all comes down to rng (card draws, procs, crit/dh rate during burst phases). The shorter the fight is, the more bad/good rng affects your kill time.

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Originally Posted by aleph_null

Snip.

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So true.
Gearing tanks in SB is really boring since the dps variance of a bis and shit build doesn't even fully compensate the natural rng on damage calculation.

Personally I prefer the Strength on the left and Direct Hit on the Right. When the new gear comes out I think full tenacity will be the Meta.

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Originally Posted by Da_best

Personally I prefer the Strength on the left and Direct Hit on the Right. When the new gear comes out I think full tenacity will be the Meta.

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Every item on the left side has strength in it, and maxed out, too. I don't understand what you want to tell us here.

DH on the right? Are you saying, you don't meld STR VI into your accessories, but secondary stats? STR is your PRIMARY stat, which means you should 'primary' meld STR into your gear - if possible.

b@Topic: There isn't really something like BiS (except crafted acc). Every gear has its benefits and downsides. I've looked into some gear comps from 'the best DPS' tanks on fflogs and nearly everyone has their own comp. They just optimized SkS for their style and everything else is insignificant. The only difference may lie in your mitigation affected by Tenacity.

I'm reviving this thread with two builds I've settled on:

Max Det Build:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13CEX
2148 STR, 1140 DH, 1000 Crit, 1756 Det, 952 SkS (2.41 gcd), 1119 Ten
(some of my accessories have Det V's in place of DH V's, I couldn't be bothered to spend 50k gil for 5% chance to meld on some of those final slots.)

Max Crit Build:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/13BPK
2148 STR, 1140 DH, 1550 Crit, 1225 Det, 1032 SkS (2.39 gcd), 1010 Ten
(some of my accessories have Det V's in place of DH V's, I couldn't be bothered to spend 50k gil for 5% chance to meld on some of those final slots.)

My crit build hits the 1032 SkS breakpoint exactly, knocking the global down to 2.39
The crit build actually shifts 19 points of substats from from TEN into Crit/DET, as well as 80 substat points of TEN into SkS to meet the next breakpoint. In theory, the higher crit build should be better in running it in the current speed run meta (Litany, Chain, bardsongs).

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Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

Every item on the left side has strength in it, and maxed out, too. I don't understand what you want to tell us here.

DH on the right? Are you saying, you don't meld STR VI into your accessories, but secondary stats? STR is your PRIMARY stat, which means you should 'primary' meld STR into your gear - if possible.

b@Topic: There isn't really something like BiS (except crafted acc). Every gear has its benefits and downsides. I've looked into some gear comps from 'the best DPS' tanks on fflogs and nearly everyone has their own comp. They just optimized SkS for their style and everything else is insignificant. The only difference may lie in your mitigation affected by Tenacity.

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I assume they got the left and right flipped, since DH6 down the line on the left + STR6 down the line on the right for guaranteed slots is what's the norm.