We really need several English server in Japan Data Center!

I was asking too much.
Since this has already all been like this for years.
In vain.

Woah hold your chocobos. I don't know what you are thinking but the world does not revolve around you.

The reason behind why there are JP Only is because they want to make sure that EVERYONE in the party can and able to speak/understand Japanese for mechanics explanation and coordination.

Can you imagine yourself in a party where the other 7 players speak french for example you know nothing of that language?

YOU ARE A LIABILITY!

I'm sorry but no Japanese i know of would want to carry you in the current raid window.

So it's either you pick up Japanese language make an effort to integrate or you find another "Eng" server in the JP DC.

Sigh

Maybe if people like you bothered to ask what other servers SEA / OCE players can join in the Japanese Realm aside from Tonberry you wouldn't sound as much of a fool compared to what you're doing right now.

Typhon and Kujata are you next best bet since these two servers were made Preferred worlds when Stormblood was released. You can try your luck there, especially the latter.

Otherwise, go to the current Preferred servers and search from there.

hmmmm how would you feel if you had a Japanese friend that has problems communicating in a US server? I'm sure not many people would want to carry them do to the language barrier. If your comfortable with your Japanese just create an alternate or world transfer. As it has been mentioned SE wants to make sure everyone can communicate and enjoy the game in their regional language. I know that common sense is a dying trait but really this one is one for the books.

Having a dedicated oceanic / English server would not create more opportunities, the PF would still be attached to the current worlds and be predominantly Japanese. The only area 'JP only' really occurs is savage content or learning parties, which isn't a great loss because you'll probably want other English speaking party members.

However; there really should be at least 1 server listed as Oceanic. A new player shouldn't have to research servers before creating a character, it should be simple and welcoming.

(Side bar: You can complete all current content with 240ms+ easily)

They moved the NA data center to make it easier for people in the Oceanic areas to use that D.C. Rather than the JP DC. The ping difference from what I have read is not that much different. The higher latency that some are reporting is due to s cable being damaged and they hope to repair that soon. But, a good gaming VPN can improve your ping by quite a bit. Try using a gaming VPN and check out the NA DC again.

A moderate ping is still playable. I travel too.

But you should have picked a world in the same group as Tonberry (Elemental) if you wanted to play with people from Tonberry in PF. The other JP DCs are a lot less saturated with foreigners; let them have somewhere they can expect to play with people who can actually talk to them?

I'm really confused as the motivation many people have when replying to threads, so far we have one user making a request from SE and while it could have been worded better English is not everyone's first language. You then have a series of users berating the op for making a request with only one being moderately helpful reply. I remember when FFXIV was better more helpful online community.

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I'm really confused as the motivation many people have when replying to threads, so far we have one user making a request from SE and while it could have been worded better English is not everyone's first language. You then have a series of users berating the op for making a request with only one being moderately helpful reply. I remember when FFXIV was better more helpful online community.

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See my comments in the 'Why do so many statics seem to be missing healers' on this sad decline.

As someone whose grasp in Japanese is only as good as Google Translate's and, unfortunately, has grown tired of trying to tackle end-game in 280+ ping environment...

Objectively speaking opening an 'EN-only server' in the JP datacenters, as sensible as it is in a debate about practicality and functionality, I personally don't see that happening anytime soon, so I'll have to echo Xeta's answer to an extent - you'll have to be happy with getting into alternative 'English JP-servers'.

If you'd rather have a more established population than Kujata/Typhon, Masamune also has a pretty healthy number of English-speaking population, though we're not in the same DC as Tonberry :c We're not on Tonberry's level where even the map/hunt shouts are all in English nowadays, but finding an English fc that's not dead isn't an issue at all in masamune.

Who knows ? We might get new datacenter located in Singapore.
Finger crossed.

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You see, this is why western mindset does not work on Japanese/Asian culture. You only think of yourself.
Even if it is implemented on a JP DC what about the Japanese who now have to tolerate a huge influx of English speaking users who can't communicate with the majority?
They play on a JP DC because they know they can't speak/understand english well enough so they do not burden the others.

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You see, this is why western mindset does not work on Japanese/Asian culture. You only think of yourself.
Even if it is implemented on a JP DC what about the Japanese who now have to tolerate a huge influx of English speaking users who can't communicate with the majority?
They play on a JP DC because they know they can't speak/understand english well enough so they do not burden the others.

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Exactly. And if there's one thing that Japanese *love* it's being told how to run their sh*t by foreigners.

The way to do it would be to have a tiny cluster of English-flagged servers in the JP region, as a new and entirely separate 'datacenter'. Then give the existing players the opportunity to transfer off for free. I think a lot of Japanese players would appreciate it too. Those interested in using Japanese can remain in place while those who don't want to learn can play without the lag - which I still don't think is so bad it's unplayable even though I'm at 250-300 ping myself.

(I'm not against Oceanic players having their own servers at all, I think it's a great idea if there are enough people who want it. But complaining about the PF being mostly JP when you pick a datacenter that doesn't include the biggest EN community is weird. Of course it's mostly JP. It's unreasonable to expect every single server group to be majority English-speaking.)

Why are you still on a Japanese server then? I'm from New Zealand and with the recent server move, I ping lower to Behemoth than Tonberry. Are you sure your latency difference is so great? When was the last time you checked?

3 of the top raiding groups on Behemoth (Primal data centre) are OCE based. I have a tough time believing that your latency difference to NA is as drastic as you're making it sound. 150ms is not unplayable by any stretch.

Aussies will either be the same or have a slight increase to NA depending on where you're from but overall its better ping to NA than it was. If you don't like the JP language block, you can literally leave.

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I'm really confused as the motivation many people have when replying to threads, so far we have one user making a request from SE and while it could have been worded better English is not everyone's first language. You then have a series of users berating the op for making a request with only one being moderately helpful reply. I remember when FFXIV was better more helpful online community.

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Sorry but the post doesn't sound like a request, it sounds more like a demand. FFXIV still has a helpful community even if not everyone is holding hands and sings about peace.

But how about SE opens GER, FR, JPN and ENG servers on every datacenter? Because thats what they would've to do if they open a englisch Server on a japanese datacenter.

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But how about SE opens GER, FR, JPN and ENG servers on every datacenter? Because thats what they would've to do if they open a englisch Server on a japanese datacenter.

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You're not even serious....right? How is this your comment. Please explain.

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Since my post had absolutely nothing to do with myself I'm not sure what your are referring to, also please don't generalise a whole culture like that it's closed minded and inaccurate. I made absolutely no comments about the validity of the OPs request, I only commented on the nature of the replies and the fact that most made no attempt at constructive feedback.

Thank You for once again illustrating my point.

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I don't expect holding hands and singing about peace but it's sad that majority of replies seem to be angry reactions. Also why would they have to open up all those servers? I genuinely do not understand the point you are trying to make.

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You're not even serious....right? How is this your comment. Please explain.

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If someone demands an english server on a japanese dataserver, then why shouldn't people from other countries demand that too? Or do you think other languages are not allowed to do so?

Actually we don't need all these servers and we don't need a english server on a japanese data server. If you are not able to communicate with the people there, then don't play there.

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You can complete all current content with 240ms+ easily

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I quite disagree.

It is possible complete content with 240ms lag, but the content is harsher. For instance, you have less than a half second to avoid AOE that normally are giving 2 seconds for a player with a ping less than 100ms. It is quite common the client shows the char exiting the bad before the cast ends but taking the damage anyways.

I know that because South America is one of those places with 240ms+ lag. And I had to time better my movements to not get caught by mechanics.

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...Can you imagine yourself in a party where the other 7 players speak french for example you know nothing of that language?...

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Even though I reckon that a separate Oceania data centre would be a better solution than an English speaking server within the JP data centres (as cross realm parties will still end up mixed), I find your answer to this thread slightly laughable... For one, people who play in the European Data centres deal with having to do content with people speaking different languages every day and we all somehow manage to do the content just fine...

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I find your answer to this thread slightly laughable... For one, people who play in the European Data centres deal with having to do content with people speaking different languages every day and we all somehow manage to do the content just fine...

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Well i did say for example to try to get my point across.
Since you play on EU and may or may not know how JP DC works.
I am not sure how NA/EU differs from one another BUT JP DC have a complete unique way of doing things.
Like using macros to post the strategy of the raid in chat. Using macros to coordinate in Frontlines. Different way of calling tanks in raid (MT and ST). Whenever entering an ID greetings and thanking each other for one's hardwork are to be expected.

While it may be laughable to you it's whole different culture over here.
So basically we have different way of thinking and JP DC have an attitude of if you can't integrate then they won't welcome you.

Edit: For people who are thinking why people are bashing OP PLEASE READ OP's comment again. OP is flat out DEMANDING and not asking what other English server out there OP can play in.

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I'm really confused as the motivation many people have when replying to threads, so far we have one user making a request from SE and while it could have been worded better English is not everyone's first language. You then have a series of users berating the op for making a request with only one being moderately helpful reply. I remember when FFXIV was better more helpful online community.

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I know I'm late to this conversation, but I just wanted to wholeheartedly agree with this post since I can only "Like" it once...

Sometimes this community is embarrassing, to say the least.

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I quite disagree.

It is possible complete content with 240ms lag, but the content is harsher. For instance, you have less than a half second to avoid AOE that normally are giving 2 seconds for a player with a ping less than 100ms. It is quite common the client shows the char exiting the bad before the cast ends but taking the damage anyways.

I know that because South America is one of those places with 240ms+ lag. And I had to time better my movements to not get caught by mechanics.

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Do you think you are exaggerating a bit? You think that playing at 240ms gives you 1.5 seconds lag over someone at 100ms? I've done O4S at 240ms (I'm from Australia on NA svr) - never once did I feel like I was disadvantaged due to my ping. I've also done Susan/Lak at both 140 (Tonberry) and 240ms ping - both felt the same.

I wouldn't click that link even if I was dying of thirst and you said it would deliver ice cold gallons of water to my door, sorry. And if you join linkshells on JP worlds, it's really nice there! You don't need majority english to have fun.

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If someone demands an english server on a japanese dataserver, then why shouldn't people from other countries demand that too? Or do you think other languages are not allowed to do so?

Actually we don't need all these servers and we don't need a English server on a Japanese data server. If you are not able to communicate with the people there, then don't play there.

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Oceanic players are asking for a dedicated English server on the server which provide the best ping. JP players asking for a JP server on the NA data-centre is nonsensical because it'd be an increase in ping. I'm sorry if this doesn't make sense to you.

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Talking from experience, it seems to me that there are quite a few English speakers on the Novice Network of Masamune, as there's always someone indicating places of hunts and stuff like that

I'm a bit confused on why having an "Oceana" marked server or two would be a bad thing, either. Echoing Pence above, the European DC has always run fine with many languages flying around, and most players of each first language gravitates towards a particular server (last I heard, Shiva was the place to be for Germans much like Tonberry is for Aus and Oceana).

Maybe try making an alt on the new servers in the centers and find if it works for you. Then you won't get locked in a transfer.

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I'm a bit confused on why having an "Oceana" marked server or two would be a bad thing, either. Echoing Pence above, the European DC has always run fine with many languages flying around, and most players of each first language gravitates towards a particular server (last I heard, Shiva was the place to be for Germans much like Tonberry is for Aus and Oceana).

Maybe try making an alt on the new servers in the centers and find if it works for you. Then you won't get locked in a transfer.

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That is if oceania get it's own seperate DC then i would welcome it too. But if you put it in a JP DC it only spills trouble. Because you can queue cross server and if there's 2 different playstyle oh god we don't want to go there...
Language will be a major issue too so i don't think it's "Healthy" to put oceania dedicated server in a JP DC.

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Do you think you are exaggerating a bit? You think that playing at 240ms gives you 1.5 seconds lag over someone at 100ms? I've done O4S at 240ms (I'm from Australia on NA svr) - never once did I feel like I was disadvantaged due to my ping. I've also done Susan/Lak at both 140 (Tonberry) and 240ms ping - both felt the same.

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Not really. If I begin to move at 0'5, I WILL take the hit. Inside that 1.5 second I'm counting the time needed to actually get out from the bad (something between 0.5~1 second, depending on the AoE itself). But, if I'm lucky enough, the game sometimes interpret that I got out before the time runs out and give me a dodge.

The fact is that the time I have to flee is tinier.

I'm lost. The OP said the issue she wants to alleviate is that when she is in PF all they say is JP Only. But PF is DC wide now so how exactly is having a server listed as being for English speakers help with this at all?

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Not really. If I begin to move at 0'5, I WILL take the hit. Inside that 1.5 second I'm counting the time needed to actually get out from the bad (something between 0.5~1 second, depending on the AoE itself). But, if I'm lucky enough, the game sometimes interpret that I got out before the time runs out and give me a dodge.

The fact is that the time I have to flee is tinier.

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I'm sorry you can no keep up with everyone else.

what is needed is a entire data center no just a server it wont solve the problem since the PF now is cross-world or data center wide

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I'm lost. The OP said the issue she wants to alleviate is that when she is in PF all they say is JP Only. But PF is DC wide now so how exactly is having a server listed as being for English speakers help with this at all?

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So you can have an FC/LS to coordinate when you want to run something?

I'm not sure why the first few comments are attacking the person as if they are saying the people on the Japanese servers must know English. At no point did they ever state that, they simply requested another English speaking server in Japan since the preferred one is full and not accepting people.

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I'm not sure why the first few comments are attacking the person as if they are saying the people on the Japanese servers must know English. At no point did they ever state that, they simply requested another English speaking server in Japan since the preferred one is full and not accepting people.

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Except it won't happen because English servers in the JAPANESE Data Center is contradictory.

There's a reason why there's auto-translation (accessed via TAB while in chat mode) in the game if we want to communicate basic information with them.

Also, why are white knights in shining armor like you nitpicking on us berating the OP when...

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Typhon and Kujata are you next best bet since these two servers were made Preferred worlds when Stormblood was released. You can try your luck there, especially the latter.

Otherwise, go to the current Preferred servers and search from there.

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...I suggested an alternative solution to OP's problem regarding his language barrier with the local players of the Data Center?

Why should SE create servers catering to the English-speaking players at this point of time when said communities have already come up with their own fix years ago?

Even if Tonberry's full, people have flocked to the aforementioned servers to start up similar albeit smaller groups to gather English users.


Selective reading at its finest, aye?

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One, I'm not white knighting. two, don't accuse me of selective reading when you cut out the part of your comment where you insulted them. Then again I assume giving a suggestion without insulting someone isn't easy.

I love all the arsewipes who say "if you can't speak Japanese don't use their servers" sooo what you're saying is Australians should not play cos they are English speakers?

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I love all the arsewipes who say "if you can't speak Japanese don't use their servers" sooo what you're saying is Australians should not play cos they are English speakers?

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What?! i don't even...
Nobody is saying you can't play on JP DC if you can't speak Japanese BUT HAVE YOU EVER GIVEN A THOUGHT ABOUT THE OTHER PARTY?
You're playing an MMO for christ sake. Stop being so self entitled.
Instead of calling people arsewipes, Why have you not ask why has SQEX not yet provided a Oceania DC?
What is impeding SQEX from setting up a Oceania dedicated server in the nearby region? It's been 4 years after all.

Please think before you comment next time.