Job NPCs and their interaction with the MSQ

First of all, hi.

I was wondering what people's thoughts are on NPCs that mainly appear in the Job questlines, being more involved in the main story.
I think Estinien in Heavensward showed that a character introduced in a Job can very easily integrate in the main story and provide the player more characters to interact with. That said, I and a few people I know had hoped Stormblood would also do more of this and when we saw Oboro in the benchmark trailer we assumed that was what would happen. Rather disappointingly Oboro only appeared a very short time in the main story and for Monks Widagelt doesn't appear at all even though he whole schtick early in the Monk storyline was that he was about as obsessed with Ala Migho as maybe even Illberd. With some really major themes like liberation of two states you'd think it would make sense for them to be more involved but maybe that's just me.
Thoughts?

I'm a little jilted by Oboro's cameo, but Widargelt's lack of involvement made perfect sense to me. He's lost his zeal for taking back Ala Mhigo by the end of 2.0 and by 3.0 he's found a new purpose: rebuilding the Fist of Rhalgr. This isn't at odds with liberation of Ala Mhigo per se, but I think not including him did his character more credit--if that makes sense?

I liked Oboro a lot and when I saw him in the trailer I thought there might be something but just having that one scene... that was shown in the trailer... made me a little bummed.

I suspect that Widargelt was sidelined purely so that he would not overshadow Lyse. Cynical of me, perhaps, but when two characters better suited to leadership of the Ala Mhigan Resistance conveniently died and two others weren't even acknowledged directly as leadership contenders...it certainly feels that way. We'll have to see if he shows up in a future patch now that Gyr Abania has been mostly reclaimed but if he does not then I call shenanigans.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I suspect that Widargelt was sidelined purely so that he would not overshadow Lyse. Cynical of me, perhaps, but when two characters better suited to leadership of the Ala Mhigan Resistance conveniently died and two others weren't even acknowledged directly as leadership contenders...it certainly feels that way. We'll have to see if he shows up in a future patch now that Gyr Abania has been mostly reclaimed but if he does not then I call shenanigans.

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From what I've been able to tell from the MNK job quests, he's more focused on restoring the Fist of Rhalgar. He pretty much declined to join the resistance at the beginning of the SB MNK quests because his thirst for vengeance was long since gone. I would be surprised if he has any involved in the more political and complicated features simply because he really seem to have disconnected himself from Ala Mhigo to focus on the goals of his new order.

Honestly the whole direction of Widargelt from the end of ARR has been away from simply Liberating Ala Mhigo. That is discussed in the very first SB MNK quest were he references his lessons learned at the end of ARR and HW. That isn't how he wants to serve Ala Mhigo. More to the point, he has literally no interest in his birthright and is instead rather horrified by it. I suspect likewise he will seek to keep the Fist of Rhalgr out of politics. The new Fist is about helping the Ala Mhigans once more return to their religious traditions and empowering the people of Ala Mhigo with the strength to protect their own.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

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How very fitting of him. From what I've gathered in regards to sidequests and what not about the monks, the path Widargelt seems to be taking is a good one. He's living the example, forsaking his birthright for something more important. Titles mean nothing compared to the restoration of a people and their culture. Makes me want to get my MNK up to 70 to see the story for myself.

The thing is, one of the dungeons that launched with 4.0 literally revolves around reclaiming an abandoned monk temple. Widargelt could easily have been involved with that without it feeling contrived.

Considering his general stance and interest in teaching others, I wouldn't be surprised if X'rhun from the Red Mages quests became a bit more involved in the MSQ going forward. Could even see him joining the Scions.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

The thing is, one of the dungeons that launched with 4.0 literally revolves around reclaiming an abandoned monk temple. Widargelt could easily have been involved with that without it feeling contrived.

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Technically the quest isn't about reclaiming the Temple at all, but simply escorting Marjorie through it. There's no real indication whatsoever from the quest that the Temple of the Fist will ever be opened again. It's just us escorting a scholar through a ruin--Widargelt could've been involved, sure, but given his arc in Stormblood I can see why he wasn't. He wants to build a new Fist, not merely revive the old one.

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Considering his general stance and interest in teaching others, I wouldn't be surprised if X'rhun from the Red Mages quests became a bit more involved in the MSQ going forward. Could even see him joining the Scions.

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We could see him and Alisaie interact. She WAS trained by him after all.

After reading here it does seems like it makes more sense for Widargelt to not be involved.
I'm just wondering now about future interactions. Any particular NPC you wouldn't mind seeing?
I keep thinking there'll be something in the future that will really make the WOL mad and if he/she had been a Dark Knight, will briefly let out his/her inner 'Fray'.

While Widargelt is unlikely to get involved with anything MSQ related I could see Erik making an appearance at some point. You'd think he would have at least a word or two to say about what's going on in Ala Mhigo these days.

I would love to see a few more of the Job Characters show up in the main storyline. Although it really depends on the particular Job NPCs...some of them would be relatively easy to put in the main plot, but many others would honestly be pretty difficult. So I might bring up a few Jobs whose NPCs I would probably not expect to see in the MSQ...

Scholar: Not only are some of the most amusing ones Tonberries, and thus kill on sight in most areas of Eorzea, they also have a pretty insulated questline about Nym. Not much reason to unless we have a whole expansion based on the War of the Magi (which I wouldn't mind to be fair...)

Bard: I could see Sanson and Guydelot making a small cameo if we ever needed an important Gridanian military unit to show up, but other than that I don't see them making much of an impact on the plot. Their adventures are usually just fun little tales rather than epic world changing events anyway.

Black Mage: The Shadow of Mhcah storyline was probably the most important that Black Magic has ever been...and they didn't show up there. So I doubt they'll show up much elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by CaesarCV

Scholar: Not only are some of the most amusing ones Tonberries, and thus kill on sight in most areas of Eorzea, they also have a pretty insulated questline about Nym. Not much reason to unless we have a whole expansion based on the War of the Magi (which I wouldn't mind to be fair...)

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I'd also love to see more elaboration on the War of the Magi, especially Nym. Which seems to be isolated entirely to the SCH quests, as well as a few offhand mentions when people talk about the belligerents of the war. All the focus elsewhere seems to be on Amdapor and Mhach, to the point where I have no idea why Nym was even involved in the war in the first place.

My vague impression was that Mhach was basically extra mean and sent the plague voidsent over to Nym for no reason other than to screw with them. Not for any tactical or strategic considerations, but entirely because Mhach wanted to be jerks.

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Originally Posted by YianKutku

I'd also love to see more elaboration on the War of the Magi, especially Nym. Which seems to be isolated entirely to the SCH quests, as well as a few offhand mentions when people talk about the belligerents of the war. All the focus elsewhere seems to be on Amdapor and Mhach, to the point where I have no idea why Nym was even involved in the war in the first place.

My vague impression was that Mhach was basically extra mean and sent the plague voidsent over to Nym for no reason other than to screw with them. Not for any tactical or strategic considerations, but entirely because Mhach wanted to be jerks.

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Nym's involvement in the war seems to have been mainly defensive, although the 60-70 questline reveals that they did send at least one spy into Amdapor. Most of the SCH job description just seems to talk about what amazing defensive magi they are.

It's funny now that I think about it, but for having an entire job questline focused on Nym, we don't even get that much info on the nation itself. "Royal Marines" suggest that it was a monarchy... and that's about it.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I suspect that Widargelt was sidelined purely so that he would not overshadow Lyse. Cynical of me, perhaps, but when two characters better suited to leadership of the Ala Mhigan Resistance conveniently died and two others weren't even acknowledged directly as leadership contenders...it certainly feels that way. We'll have to see if he shows up in a future patch now that Gyr Abania has been mostly reclaimed but if he does not then I call shenanigans.

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I have to agree with you. As soon as those NPCs died I knew who would get to be leader and it did not feel great for me. It might be that he backed out of wanting to get into a leader position but he is still the former prince of Ala Mhigo so I was really disappointed to have him not even appear for a little. I mean he still could rebuilt the Fist of Rhalgar after the liberation.