[Suggestion] Make Invigorate half enmity

As the subject states, I think SE should make invig similar to lucid dreaming, where when you use it it halves enmity. They both give resource, they are both 120s cd, why not add the enmity reduction so that classes like Monks and Samurais don't give tanks headaches!

Is there any danger of doing so? Please comment :D

As a tank, no thanks. My job is already mind numbingly easy thanks to the changes made in 4.05, I'm already spamming my DPS combo and ignoring my enmity combo, I'm already switching into sword oath on a regular basis. I would only be ok with this if something else changed that made keeping hate harder, and I don't think the devs will do that.

When people are baffled why tanks speed pull in dungeons, this is why.

I have to agree with Khuja. If anything, I would prefer enmity be a more interesting mechanic to maintain so my role as a tank wasn't "get this stance off as fast as I can so I DPS more."

I wouldn't really have a problem with it, if only because Melee DPS barring Dragoon currently have no means of halving their own aggro while Casters, Healers and Ranged all can. It's also consistent with Lucid Dreaming, Refresh, and Tactitian all being aggro cuts on top of resource regenerators.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

I wouldn't really have a problem with it, if only because Melee DPS barring Dragoon currently have no means of halving their own aggro while Casters, Healers and Ranged all can. It's also consistent with Lucid Dreaming, Refresh, and Tactitian all being aggro cuts on top of resource regenerators.

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There's diversion though. Players just need to be a bit more pro active and use that to reduce enmity before it's generated.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

There's diversion though. Players just need to be a bit more pro active and use that to reduce enmity before it's generated.

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Get rid of diversion though and stick them on the same ability, as I thought we were getting rid of button bloat.

More tools for DPS to manage their aggro is only a good thing, so sure.

I think this is fair. It is weird how melee can't cut their enmity in half like magical and range.

In most situations, enmity reducing abilities like Diversion are more useful than the enmity halving ones. For DPS roles, anyway.

Typically, the only times that DPS should be at risk of getting aggro would be in their openers, or when adds spawn. You dont have any aggro to cut in half until you've actually hit an enemy, and reducing your enmity output helps prevent you getting ahead of the tank in those first few attacks.

After a certain duration, the tanks can build up a huge enmity lead via Shirk passing, so there shouldn't be any risk of the DPS catching up mid fight. (Although O4S has those annoying aggro resetting mechanics, but it tends to be healer aggro that they need to watch out for more than anything!)

Like Samurai i will love another skill for agro management.

Im i340, and i use Diversion at the begining of the fight, but like everyone know, Diversion has 2 mins CD, so if tanks have low gear, i usually get agro from boss....It sounds really good.

While I like the idea, I don't necessarily agree, because I know as a DRG I am usually right on a tank's tail immediately after my opener where TP is not an issue. So I would only be using it for the enmity loss, and if I were to die for some reason while it's on CD and there is no Goad or BRD/MCH to be found, I wasted the skill for nothing.

Though to be fair, I only really use diversion at the beginning of a pull or when new adds spawn in a raid environment because my Elusive Jumps keep my enmity down, but that is DRG specific. In dungeons I use it on every mass mob pull to make it one less thing for the tanks to worry about even though I know keeping hate is not as much of a challenge anymore.

Sure, go for it. In exchange, how about removing the dumb, latency-punishing mechanics of Surecast and replacing them with the nullifying barrier of Arm's Length? Thanks!

I don't necessarily think this is needed diversion is fine as someone stated I rarely use invigorate unless I'm going to use alot of aoes which but in progression content it's like almost unnecessary for my DRG I just pop diversion on my opener to avoid ripping hate but this shouldnt be an issue in content with two tanks that's what shirk is for I always encourage OTs to carry shirk it's not only for tank swaps.....

Also I lean more on the tanks becuase dps with latwncy issues have enough trouble weaving Ogcds and gcds so it's easier for the tank to just do it where is a dps will be punished dps wise trying to hurry up and invigorate before the tank losses argro but that's just my two cents

As a tank i'd like this. SAM enmity in a no-NIN groups is always a pain, esp. when things go wrong and tanks die, losing accumulated aggro lead.