R.I.P Ninja

Not only they nerfed all our ways to confirm a kill greatly, they also buffed the HP of all Ranged jobs, amazing.

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Originally Posted by Moxas

Not only they nerfed all our ways to confirm a kill greatly, they also buffed the HP of all Ranged jobs, amazing.

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At least you got a stun. The other melee got literally trashed.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

At least you got a stun. The other melee got literally trashed.

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I whole heartedly agree. The stun in my opinion just created a whole kind of new meta shift for ninja.

You have a 2 second stun on your hardest hitting ability, which can now possibly be followed by a Raiton with the new cost reduction.

You have literally 0 things to complain about.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

You have a 2 second stun on your hardest hitting ability, which can now possibly be followed by a Raiton with the new cost reduction.

You have literally 0 things to complain about.

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So true. Ninja really has nothing to complain about, if anything they're the best melee now .

Ninja has been buffed no idea what your talking about lol. You can get more raitons off i personally feel like ninja is much better now.

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Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry

You have a 2 second stun on your hardest hitting ability, which can now possibly be followed by a Raiton with the new cost reduction.

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For a complete and utterly gamebreaking 95%! of a Cure II.

*gasp* Built-Up, multi CD burst on 40 seconds CD rivaling the power of a regular, rotational healer ability?
Better nerf ninjas, medals and culling time.

It was buff not a nerf if anything NiN is now unbalanced if you compare it to other melees, having access to silence and STUN is godlike specially when that stun is part of your burst D:

i feel like this was a nerf to ninja because of the big potency loss on both raiton and bhava, the stun cant be trusted because most of the time the tank allready stunned the healer making it useless...

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Originally Posted by snipski

i feel like this was a nerf to ninja because of the big potency loss on both raiton and bhava, the stun cant be trusted because most of the time the tank allready stunned the healer making it useless...

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It's almost as if that stun could be used on low hp ranged dps trying to kite you or stop it from using a pocket heal, perhaps even a tank so it does not protect its own healer. Like stuns weren't designed only for enemy healers. But that would be crazy.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Miasma

It's almost as if that stun could be used on low hp ranged dps trying to kite you or stop it from using a pocket heal, perhaps even a tank so it does not protect its own healer. Like stuns weren't designed only for enemy healers. But that would be crazy.

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I know right? That's never caused me to die before. :^)

Im still pissed about this Ninja change i never felt so useless as Ninja as now the damage i do is so weak, i guess it's time to change to samurai or something...

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Originally Posted by snipski

Im still pissed about this Ninja change i never felt so useless as Ninja as now the damage i do is so weak, i guess it's time to change to samurai or something...

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Good luck with that one buddy. We don't have any real damage either.

Can do a lot over the course of the fight and finish things off, but no matter what melee you pick you'll feel weak compared to last patch.

As far as i know Samurai didnt get nerfed at all making them the best melee now. You got a 3k potency burst wich can be used more often then any other skill but i guess i just have to try it and see.

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Originally Posted by snipski

As far as i know Samurai didnt get nerfed at all making them the best melee now. You got a 3k potency burst wich can be used more often then any other skill but i guess i just have to try it and see.

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Try it out and see, I think you're forgetting one itsy bitsy tiny detail about that 3.5k. It requires 3 sen, is locked behind a cast time and can be LoS'd and you can't move while you do it.

Monk burst is still 5k+ btw.

One thing the patch did, was it made us all about even but different. Ninja burst is about 5-7k. Monk burst is about 5-7k, and I won't speak on DRG. Sam burst is 1.6k followed by a 1.5s~ cast then another 3.5k then 1.6k again.

Any competent healer will have healed the previous damage before you get that 3.5k and have healed that 3.5k before you actually get much more damage.

That 3.5k is only good for laying down some sustain and finishing off. You won't see anything the level of what you saw before this patch with Ninja, Dragoon, or Monk. They were brought down to Samurais level.

It's not that Samurai is better. It's just different. The damages are similar, the tools they can use are different, Monk still has the quickest and strongest burst,but it has nothing else aside from some mitigation.

Samurai has a counter, mobility and a knockback, but the burst is slow and broken up. The patch increased our mobility and made us able to do 5 shinten instead of four, as well as make better usage of Chiten on people who don't pay attention to buffs.

Ninja has CC and loads of it, The damage happens almost as often as Samurai but you trade off CC for damage, Samurai has to make that choice as well, and also have to make the choice between Mobility/damage/defense.

Dragoon is about even with Samurai mobility and damage wise but brings team DPS buff and Skewer to deal with healing. However they don't really have any CC to speak of.

If you can't play Ninja just because of it's damage, you won't find much luck on the other melee jobs.


Samurai didn't receive a nerf for the same reason Red mage got buffed. They were the weakest of their roles.

At this point, melee roles as a whole seem like a hindrance. It boggles the mind the dev team is this bad at balancing PvP. We have two jobs that are so bad, you'll want to forfeit just having either (Red Mage/Astro), four that are woefully underpowered (Warrior, Melees except Ninja) and then a range from average to OMFG good.

I have to work even harder as a ranged now lol.

Looking at streamers, ast's cooldown reduction helped them about as well as the manification cooldown reduction did for rdms. Which boosted my scrub silver damage by 20k on the low end over the course of a match.

These classes definitely still have a bell curve to use properly but their ceiling has been raised significantly.