Skill Speed and Warrior

Is there an X-hit number to correlate skill speed with when Inner Release is up? I feel like i'm just shy of getting off another fell cleave, but I really don't know how much more is needed to get the job done. I've just been weaving in Upheavel and Onslaught so I don't waste the bonus, but there's another fell cleave there somewhere.

What rotation are you using and what's your gauge at? Seeing that might help better answer your question. That being said I've never had a problem getting off 6 fell cleaves in a IR without putting too much effort into it.

It likely has more to do with where you are inside a combo/how much gauge you're starting with. At 1027 SS (have not attempted to min/max SS yet) my GCDs are 2.4, and I've haven't noticed a time where I barely missed an important global at the end of a zerk yet.

I'm 1007 Skill speed, and 6 isn't a problem, just feel like i'm close to a 7th but can't get it off.

If you'really that close, it sounds like you could hit it by swapping out some materia. But is it worth it if the 7 cleaves do less damage than the 6 you're already putting out?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Galgarion

If you'really that close, it sounds like you could hit it by swapping out some materia. But is it worth it if the 7 cleaves do less damage than the 6 you're already putting out?

---

Probably - I think SS is actually pretty good for war. Almost all of their damage is from on-gcd, resource spenders, and auto attacks.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Galgarion

If you'really that close, it sounds like you could hit it by swapping out some materia. But is it worth it if the 7 cleaves do less damage than the 6 you're already putting out?

---

Having enough SkS to do 7x FC under Inner Release and 4 without it is really satisfying to do, but it's really a sub-optimal use of your beast Gauge. Without considering how much the SkS will cost you in raw damage from Det or Crit, having enough to do 7 FC under Berserk + IR is a potency loss vs just doing 1 Onslaught and 1 Upheaval at full health.

Given the nature of those being oGCD, you'd gain 400 potency for doing them compared to the 500 from a final 7th FC. But your final FC would be replaced by a Heavy Swing @ 150 potency. 400 + 150 > 500. Also you'd have 5 Gauge unspent, and be 1 GCD closer to your next Gauge building move. I personally noticed 80-100 dps increase (calculated using SSS dummy health ofc) when I switched from the extra FC spam to the more frequent Onslaught +Upheaval usage.

I personally would not waste beast gauge over a 100 potency attack that would compromise using 6 cleaves + upheaval during your Inner Release

7 cleave is actually possible but a dps loss since the sexcleave has onslaught onslaught upheaval which is 550 Vs FC's 500 plus the GCD cost where the other 3 are oGCDs.

I can do seven-cleaves with decent consistency at 637 SKS and 150~180ms ping. Remember to Inner Release AFTER you Berserk.
You only do seven cleaves in the opener anyway. Afterwards you replace the seventh with an Upheaval and two Onslaughts.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Rhinos

Probably - I think SS is actually pretty good for war. Almost all of their damage is from on-gcd, resource spenders, and auto attacks.

---

But the thing is, everything about WAR lines up according to a GCD of 2.5s.
Your burst windows are about 20s long. They come every 60s. This leaves you 30-40s between windows, which means you get 4-5 GCD combos + a Heavy Swing that leads into the next.
You're not "gaining" any damage from that Skill Speed (and certainly not enough to offset Direct Hit/Crit/Det melds)

The WAR rotation does not line up with a 2.5s GCD at all. You need skill speed for a 9 weaponskill Berserk/Inner Release Window without cutting into your GCD (that has been the case since 2.x) and you need even more skill speed if you want to double weave Inner Release and Berserk. The amount depends on your latency.

And seven FCs is a damage loss no matter what.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alphras

and you need even more skill speed if you want to double weave Inner Release and Berserk

---

What ? Skill speed doesn't help with double weaving at all. If anything, it's quite the contrary. You can see that on DRK, double weaving is a lot harder and latency-dependant with Blood Weapon on. With too much skill speed on top of it, it's near impossible to not clip your GCD. And you don't need an extra GCD within Inner Release at all since it only affects Beast Gauge costs, so once you're done spending your gauge during your Zerk window, it has no effect anymore. You should be at 0 gauge before your last GCD which is a Heavy Swing, so Inner Release doesn't matter. Having that extra GCD in it is completely meaningless. Only Berserk matters. And you don't need a lot of SkS for the 9 GCDs under Berserk as long as you pop it right before your first GCD inside of it. That's why you double weave in the IR -> Zerk order.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alphras

The WAR rotation does not line up with a 2.5s GCD at all.

---

Excuse me?
Each burst window is approximately 20 seconds.
After finishing, you will have somewhere in the realm of 37 seconds before your next window comes up.
Assuming a 2.5s GCD, each combo is 7.5 seconds.
7.5 x 5 = ~37.
That gives you time for five combos (typically Eye > Block (+ gauge-spender - typically upheaval) > Path > Path > Eye). PLUS a Heavy Swing that you use to lead into your next burst window.
Any SKS is simply breathing room with regards to scheduling.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alphras

you need even more skill speed if you want to double weave Inner Release and Berserk.

---

Since when has SKS ever had anything to do with weaving? If anything it's detrimental because it means it's easier to clip and literally waste your SKS investment.

If you have enough skill speed you can double weave Inner Release and Berserk and still get 9 GCDs in your Inner Release window. I am talking about using Inner Release and Berserk in the same GCD, sorry if that wasn't clear.

The problem with a 2.5 GCD is that you cannot get 9 GCDs into a 20s window that way, which the WAR "rotation" builds upon. So the most important parts don't line up.

Edit:
Maybe I should clarify this more, since I was assuming this was general knowledge.

The ability of double weaving Inner Release and Berserk enables you to perform the 6 FC + 2 Onslaught + 1 Upheaval window from any point in your rotation after a Storm's Eye (if you are at 100BG). If you need to use these cooldowns separate you either need to start with the GCD after Storm's Eye (very inflexible) or you need to drop an Onslaught, since you'll overcap.

The disadvantage is of course having more Skill Speed.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alphras

If you have enough skill speed you can double weave Inner Release and Berserk and still get 9 GCDs in your Inner Release window.

---

Yes, I precisely answered this point in my post. There's no point for the 9th GCD to be inside of Inner Release since it's not a gauge move and you're supposed to be at 0 gauge before this GCD anyway.