Okay, I'm gonna be THAT guy (re: HQ quest rewards)...

Do we really need to have the MSQ give HQ quest rewards...?

Most crafted items from 61-70 have been ground into the dust, price-wise. It's actually dramatically more profitable (or profitable at ALL) to make items from HW instead.

I'm all for giving people decent gear as they level, but the way these quests panned out, it basically gave everyone a HQ item for their main class and level, then another HQ item for a different class that probably went straight to the market board. I'd have no issue if these rewards were bind on pickup (like other MMOs usually do with quest rewards), but most of the MSQ is just handing people HQ market board fodder.

I'll probably get a lot of heat for this, and that's fine (controversial topics are basically my thing). It just stinks when you dump a bunch of gil into leveling and crafting/gathering gear only for most of the recipes from the latest expansion to not be anywhere near worth trying to sell.

This is a normal thing? HQ gives people a taste of it through the MSQ (and sidequests), incentivizing players to desire HQ equipment as they play the game and boosting the player-crafted demand for when the new players eventually dry up and stop supplying these HQ quest rewards.

This was exactly what happened in HW. The cycle doesn't change.

Also with the Omega release you actually have incentive to go straight for the HQ 320 crafted gear, so your efforts AREN'T wasted. The raiding scene creates an economy for all manner of consumable supplies. People like crafting in anticipation of the next update.

Leve items are worth a lot. Component parts are worth a lot. GC HQ turn-ins are worth a lot.

There should be no issues. =3

It was the same model as HW. Also remember 270 gear lasts to almost 65. The gouging doesn't happen in the leveling gear. It happens in the vanity gear and lower stuff people don't make to level up on. It is great for desynthing if you know the mats and have the skill. But maybe in the future a green set designed for each zone would be a little cooler and generic gear in the leveling dungeon.

I made of lot of money selling the quest items. Thank you SE, my alt on Gilga has enough to buy a small house in Shirogane. :)

I got 2 full sets of HQ gear to level my main and a secondary job. ... i still need armor for 66+ for any other jobs I'm leveling. I'm not seeing too much of a drop in price.. in fact the quest dropped HQ's are still well within profitable levels on my server. .. but then again.. that's just my server.

Uhm. On my server the 68-70 crafted items are an arm and a leg (Unless you think 200+k is not an arm and a leg). I have stopped leveling combat classes to level crafting classes so I can support those classes. I'm definitely not willing to pay for those prices. I'm barely willing to pay 50+k on the 62-68 lvl items (100+k if it's a weapon/belt/Right side)

I'm happy that I had enough HQ items from MSQ rewards for practically 2 classes. Well more like 4. As I lvled PLD first and Nin Second. So DRK and WAR are set.

Eitherway! I'm glad for this. For those that buy and sell them they are making gil.

and PotD gives out glamours like candy. Nothing new here.

Whoever is in charge of "managing" the market, just loves to ruin big chunks of potential selling opportunities for crafters (assuming anyone on the dev team is even paying attention to how the market is affected).

Oh well, all the more to desynth with.

Now if only they'd "ruin" the market for toad leather and silver ingots, so all the glamour prism materials have an NPC merchant option.

On my server making most 320 is not worth doing, I just buy them esp if they are 100k or less. i can get my 20-40k profit with less effort on other things.

Also this is not new, even in 2.0 where you did not have HQ handouts, there was little demand for crafted combat gear. 2.0 -4.06, it never changed, the biggest money consistently is in gc/leve turn ins, selling crafted gear, and selling gathering gear. What you are seeing is evidence of a poor economic system in general from too much hand me stuff, only to top off how easy it is to undercut spam, making things cheaper then their value for the most part. The only exception I personally ran into is 3.4 to a few months after. With the normal mode and savage mode being released at the same time, I was told this gave a much stronger demand for the crafted gear.

The other issue in past expansions, is people did not get how gimp NQ gear is. I am not sure people understand it, maybe some are shocked but seeing people use the 250 NQ versions drove me nuts when the 235 you get for free and quickly, compared well to them and in the case of weapons flat out, outperformed them.

Also it is not purely the quests fault for the low pricing, people undercut spam each other too fast leading to rock bottom pricing. Even on crafted gear only this happens, like some of the lv 70 crafted stuff or the 320 stuff. I only make 320 stuff on request and if they give me the materials, and sometimes I make nice tips off it.

Also if you can't figure out how to make money leveling crafts, there are issues with your plans in going about doing so. Even with buying some leve turn ins, I always had profit each day by the end of the day. Why? Because I find stuff worth crafting no matter if it is level 1 or i320 while I do other things.

Do not be discouraged making low level gear, being higher level with better gear means you can craft them a lot faster, and yes it does matter.

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

Uhm. On my server the 68-70 crafted items are an arm and a leg

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I'm ON your server: most of the HQ jewelry from 61-70 is less than 40k a piece, with many of them being under 20k.

Which items are over 200k because I want to start selling THOSE...

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

I'm ON your server: most of the HQ jewelry from 61-70 is less than 40k a piece, with many of them being under 20k.

Which items are over 200k because I want to start selling THOSE...

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Hmmm I think it was WHM that I was like... Nope. Not buying from the MB! I'll make it. I'll have to now and go check. I know that was yesterday! And hi! A fellow Hyperion...ian?

Heck the Pallidum 320 Dex rings are nearing 300k! Well its fairely dropped from 800. Nice... Dex Imperial Jade is 60. Well pooh to you! I got Nin's rings elsewhere! Back when you were 100+!

There we are. Healing rings. 68. 166+ Ya. Not in this life time. I'll make them. XD

Edit: Hmm seems that things are upset over here. Somethings are cheap as heck. (Bracelet for 30k... Cheap. Still I'll make mine). Other things are over 160k. You might want to a pick a level and check the various roles. (I kinda miss WoW's TradeSkillMaster Addon.)

Edit 2~: Well well well. WHM sticks are going down in price. I suppose you can safely say things are getting cheaper. 150 Yesterday. 115 today. But then being on this server you should very well know this is common. Soon (Not THAT soon) the next teir of crafted shit will happen and things will cost millions for several months. I'm looking at you Ironworks Crafted gear. This time I'll be prepared!

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Originally Posted by TitaniaZero

Hmmm I think it was WHM that I was like... Nope. Not buying from the MB! I'll make it. I'll have to now and go check. I know that was yesterday! And hi! A fellow Hyperion...ian?

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Hmm, maybe carpentry is the way to go then? And hello to you too. :)

It's still possible to make money (mostly on HW stuff), but so many things that are currently much higher on the difficulty/expense scale to build are just tanked in price. Feels backwards more than anything...

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

Hmm, maybe carpentry is the way to go then? And hello to you too. :)

It's still possible to make money (mostly on HW stuff), but so many things that are currently much higher on the difficulty/expense scale to build are just tanked in price. Feels backwards more than anything...

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Refer to my other post please, another reason for that is because everyone focuses on that. Another thing about the econ in this game, you are only going to make nice money if you find something no one is doing. Everyone does the high end stuff, undercut spam > lower prices.

Yes it is backwards and FFXIV has always been like that for the most part, there is narrow time periods where the higher stuff is worth doing, like my 3.4 example, but atm, because a lot of people have things 50+, your going to make money off making those leve/gc turn ins.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

Hmm, maybe carpentry is the way to go then? And hello to you too. :)

It's still possible to make money (mostly on HW stuff), but so many things that are currently much higher on the difficulty/expense scale to build are just tanked in price. Feels backwards more than anything...

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Actually ya. The older stuff is a little pricer than I certainly remember them being a few years ago. Certainly backwards here. Odd. Maybe I should focus on mid levels. XD

WVR also seems like a place to be. Maybe even LTW Though you'd be hard pressed, the Crafting/Gathering seems to be where the prices are their highest. That and the 320s. Though I note those prices are lowering. Probably due to the fact there are less people hitting 70 and in need of 320s for their Raiding needs.

As an omni-crafter it really doesn't bother me so much..
Quest rewards are limited.
Once more and more people chip through the story and start levelling other classes (which is what is already starting to happen I believe), the prices will creep back up.

On top of that, part of the issue I believe is that there was a large gap after early access with not a whole lot to do - so a lot of people took the time to level crafts to 70.. Either that or with the new housing coming out in 4.1, people are quite focused on earning gil to prepare for it.
There seem to be a lot more crafters in the market now compared to HW. The i320 stuff just had too much supply on a lot of servers I believe.

As somebody who's NOT rolling in mountains of gil, I can answer yes, this was a good thing.

Tl;dr: Leveling gear should be a luxury.

News flash: It isn't, and shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by RichardButte

I'm all for giving people decent gear as they level, but the way these quests panned out, it basically gave everyone a HQ item for their main class and level, then another HQ item for a different class that probably went straight to the market board.

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You greatly underestimate the amount of players who play multiple classes across many roles.

And so what if players sell unwanted gear? Why is this a bad thing? Someone else gets gear they want and the seller gets gil. Win win.

Also do you even like this game? You create a lot of threads heavily criticising it.

I just dont get people saying that you "can't" level up to 70 with the i270 peotic equipement or that you couldn't do it in HW with the i130 one...

It is perfectly fine to do so. I remember in HW having level up WAR to 60 with the full i130 poetic set and didnt have any trouble.

And you can do the same in stormblood. The stats difference between the i270 set and the stuff from dungeon isnt as huge as people make it out to be.

Granted this time you do get an automatic drop at the end of leveling dungeon but its not the end of the world if you dont farm dungeon for better loot or buy HQ stuff. Now if you had worse gear that the 270 poetic set to begin with thats another story...

The only type of crafted leveling gear that I bother my time and resources with is crafting gear. Demand is constant, no competing with dungeon gear, and potential buyers range from 8 classes, not one or three. There's also a better chance that those potential buyers will have more funds to part with.

I love the quests giving HQ equips. As a non-crafter, it's practically my only source of income other than my crappy RNG. I kept none of the equips for myself, and sold them all. Now...if only I would stop hoarding materia...

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Originally Posted by Brownondorf

Granted this time you do get an automatic drop at the end of leveling dungeon but its not the end of the world if you dont farm dungeon for better loot or buy HQ stuff. Now if you had worse gear that the 270 poetic set to begin with thats another story...

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I've leveled all of my jobs so far without buying anything from the MB with 260 Poe gear. Weapon would probably be the only one I'd consider buying, as no weapon drops for my AST between 61-70 was kinda sad.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Tl;dr: Leveling gear should be a luxury.

News flash: It isn't, and shouldn't be.

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Leveling gear shouldn't be a luxury - but LUXURIOUS leveling gear SHOULD be a luxury. NQ gear is perfectly fine for general purposes, and THAT is what quests should award. If you want that extra edge, you should be ready to either pay up, or become a crafter yourself.

You shouldn't get HQ versions of gear through MSQ, period... this is coming from someone who has all crafts to 60 but has not started leveling them to 70 yet. Part of the reason for that is I remembered HW giving out a ton of HQ and I figured it wasn't really worth the time or effort to level crafts quickly as there likely wouldn't be much profit there to be made except from the highest of star level synths. I'll get them all there eventually, after my retainers have gathered up all of the materials I need to quickly breeze through them!

Instead, I focused on getting all of my gathering jobs up to 70 first, which has made me piles of gil.

Everyone benefits from people having gear appropriate for their LvL (NQ is gear with lower stats for their ILvL), so no, HQ gear is a good idea.

For example: ILvL 285 NQ gear have worst stats than 270 Shire. So, in that case, people will still don't buy gear from the MB but go for Augmented Shire.

I do not bother with crafted gear except for the 1-50 range because of the availability of tomestone and the auto-drop mechanic at 51-70.

1-50 is more annoying because there is not really much in the way of defined sets outside of a couple of the dungeons. Most of it is aetherial gear with random sub stats, and the lack of auto-drop means that you may not get something useful for you on any given dungeon run.

So HQ crafted gear is a waste in my eyes as quest rewards, now the materia though that was useful.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Leveling gear shouldn't be a luxury - but LUXURIOUS leveling gear SHOULD be a luxury. NQ gear is perfectly fine for general purposes, and THAT is what quests should award. If you want that extra edge, you should be ready to either pay up, or become a crafter yourself.

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When is leveling gear ever luxurious? The notion that HQ is luxurious in leveling gear sense is inane and selfish. It's a good point to make with endgame gear as it lets you jump "the grind", but leveling IS the grind, the gear shouldn't be.

NQ leveling gear, especially post-50, is glamour and shouldn't seriously be used. Yeah the i130/i270 tome stuff is usable but I think you should be expected to be better equipped since especially if you're a tank or a healer you're making things harder on the rest of your group by being undergeared. DPS too but to a lesser extent.

Really there isn't any excuse in my eyes for being undergeared in leveling content especially at L40+. Anything to make gearing up during leveling easier is a plus.