Dragoon's ilvl330 weapon.

I assume alot of people are getting their weapon either this week or next.
The Dragoon's ilvl330 weapon has the worst possible combination of 268ss and 188det.
Currently I'm sitting at 886 skill speed and 2.42gcd. I feel very comfortable lining up the second blood for blood with life of dragon at this skill speed. Do you guys think I should keep going with the crafted 320 or get the 330 next week?

If the crafted 320 is better then I'll get something this week, wait til o3 drops me the upgrade item then I'll buy the 330 weapon to go 340 straight.

The weapon will always be an upgrade, but it's not the best kinda upgrade. If you want more dps get it, otherwise don't.

If you are doing O4S the bump to WD, STR, and VIT are extremely helpful. Substats are fine for min/maxing, but remember a couple things; first we don't know how good or bad SS is yet. Second, the effect of any substats this early in an expansion is going to be minor.

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Originally Posted by TheKingSlayer

If you are doing O4S the bump to WD, STR, and VIT are extremely helpful. Substats are fine for min/maxing, but remember a couple things; first we don't know how good or bad SS is yet. Second, the effect of any substats this early in an expansion is going to be minor.

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Actually to piggy back this, if your group IS clearing O4S soon and you don't need the extra dps/vit, don't get it as you will be able to get a genji weapon soon. Sorry if this is too late >.<

Blm weapons are the same.
They really messed up even on Susano weapons, giving Red Mage the best stat of blm which is Spell Speed, and giving blm stats that would have been better for Red. The tome weapon which you upgrade in Savage is not great for blm either.
I ended up purchasing crafted for my Red.

Are they even testing with people that know the jobs i wonder, or just adding whatever stats they feel like... sigh

Ya gotta get through the shit before you can get through the good stuff

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Originally Posted by Maero

Are they even testing with people that know the jobs i wonder, or just adding whatever stats they feel like... sigh

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This is generally how it is when it comes to raid gear, though they do make it so that items of the same ilvl tier do not share the same stat breakdowns (high ss/low crit, for example), though weapon damage typically wins out in the end anyway. Worse case of this would've been way back in heavensward when the thordan weapoins for MCH/BRD had the same weapon damage as the gordian ones despite the latter being higher ilvl.

The WHM i330 has 188 crit and 268 piety. So, yeah. There will likely be a set of comparable weapons (340s, I'd imagine) with better stat combos come 4.1, just as many of the crafted 320 weapons had better stat combos than the Susano ones. This is how they keep us busy.

Oh i know weapon damage> other stats but still wonder if they take the time to play the jobs rather then just adding whatever stats which are not even beneficial to said job, lol

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Originally Posted by Maero

Oh i know weapon damage> other stats but still wonder if they take the time to play the jobs rather then just adding whatever stats which are not even beneficial to said job, lol

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Well, they are beneficial to the job. Just not always the best or exactly what you want.

It's not as if they're putting Mind on a melee weapon or something like that.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

This is generally how it is when it comes to raid gear, though they do make it so that items of the same ilvl tier do not share the same stat breakdowns (high ss/low crit, for example), though weapon damage typically wins out in the end anyway. Worse case of this would've been way back in heavensward when the thordan weapoins for MCH/BRD had the same weapon damage as the gordian ones despite the latter being higher ilvl.

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Don't remind me, the thordan bow was better than the 210 tome one lol.

I think with materias the effect of craptastic substats is lessened compared to before. Generally wd upgrade is always an upgrade though.

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Oh i know weapon damage> other stats but still wonder if they take the time to play the jobs rather then just adding whatever stats which are not even beneficial to said job, lol

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I'll bet my left sock that they do know what is optimal and what is not, but it's all on purpose. Otherwise we'd only have identical gear with only numbers increasing by ten or whatever on every tier, and I'd say that would be even worse.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

I'll bet my left sock that they do know what is optimal and what is not, but it's all on purpose. Otherwise we'd only have identical gear with only numbers increasing by ten or whatever on every tier, and I'd say that would be even worse.

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So much in this expansion just seems like it was strung together in the last minute, it wouldn't surprise me if this was the case. Hearing that we have the potential to hit the 90th percentile without stacking SPS to the heavens though, makes me feel a little less iffy about upgrades that don't have our "ideal" primary stats.

Edit: Posted in the wrong thread XD , should be for BLM, but my DRG feels the same way about stats :]

Looking at the gear sets as a whole, in a vaccum, it looks like they do know what they are doing (this patch).
Looking at drg from a gear up stand point looks like they know what they are doing also.
In v1-2s (what you are expected to clear with a susano wep) possible gear stats favor lowering over all skill speed. The LA weapon when purchased would stabalize skill speed lost and bring it on par with your pre gear up potential values. Which would keep your rotation relatively the same pace.

If you are completely unlucky like me and get unfavorable stat drop only gear upgrades, then yes the skill speed is a disgusting mess of a too fast rotation. (I may very well beat a mnk with gl3 up in gcd recast atm)