Thoughts on adding heirloom items similar to wow (I know comparing wow is taboo but hear me out)
Level a job, get tomestones to buy gear for other jobs (many already share with others) where the stats scale with level and add a perm xp bonus. To make it a ltitle less gimmicky you could make it so they don't reset levels for reuse and can be traded in for a fraction of tomestone price after max leveled. Otherwise it's just potd to powerlevel.
Lore loom items?
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08-07-2017, 03:02 PMGenoreaperLore loom items?
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08-07-2017, 03:29 PMLunaFaye
Back in the day we suggested relic armor, just like the weapon, you would get a set and then have to lvl it up. And while Yoshi said in a couple of interviews at the beginning that he would think about that, I think it's out of the window. So would be your idea because that's not what the developers want, not sure why but we need to accept it.
And it's not tabu to talk about WoW, but there's a reason lots of people don't play it anymore, and it's not because their system was/is so amazing that it made people rage quit. FFXIV should beunique/creative and I know we do lack that in many departments, but it shouldn't be a copy of other games or their systems, might as well make it f2p if we go that route. -
08-07-2017, 03:54 PMNicodemus_Mercy
Doesn't the armory bonus provide the type of xp bonus (faster xp for alts) wow's heirlooms provide already? I'm not sure wow-like heirlooms would fulfill any real need. It's not like leveling dungeons are difficult or need to be made any easier than they already are, nor is it difficult for players to get gear for leveling (there's vendors all over and crafted gear as well). There just doesn't seem to be any real purpose to adding such a thing to FFXIV as far as I can see.
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08-07-2017, 04:06 PMDameron
No no no, abso-freaking-lutely not.
Heirlooms completely ruined the leveling experience in WoW. Even disregarding the exp boost (which you already get plenty of in FFXIV), they are just rediculously overstatted and completely take away the enjoyment of gathering new equipment. As for your "Otherwise it's just potd to powerlevel" argument, people would do that regardless of whether or not there are heirlooms.
Say no to heirlooms, say yes to people actually playing the game. -
08-07-2017, 04:10 PMCenerae
It's easy to keep your gear from lagging behind just by making use of vendor gear as you level up, which isn't possible in WoW. We also already get a huge xp bonus for levelling alt jobs.
I don't see a real need for heirloom style equipment. People aren't spamming POTD because of gear concerns, they're doing it because it's the path of least resistance. -
08-07-2017, 04:14 PMmagnanimousCynicYou know Heirlooms in WoW aren't easily obtainable by new players, right? They're meant for alts, AKA people who have already went through the leveling experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameron
Besides, just because Heirlooms have OP stats in WoW doesn't necessarily mean that it'll be the same case in FFXIV. Besides, level sync already makes overstatting a non-issue in leveling dungeons. -
08-07-2017, 04:18 PMSnow_PrincessI did it so I did not have to worry about gear, because lack of inventory. It is nice doing lv 1 gear to level 130, then to 270, so it is less strain on inventory. This is why I had so few jobs leveled before it, and all 60 before HW ended after it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cenerae
We do not need exp bonus BoA gear, but it would be nice to have gear level with you, so level 1-49 would grow just that, level 1-49, at 50, it becomes 130 and slow gains again to match DF gear, then at 60 it becomes 270 and starts a slow climb again, at 70 it becomes 290 to match the af, so it makes all the 70 gear relevant, it shouldn't be replacing anything in endgame. I do not see how this harms the game in any way, the game throws gear at you anyway, and strains inventory. It would be nice to have to lower item bloat.
In case people are confused how these work, to translate this in ffxiv, it would be like gettinng a job to 70, farming allagen tomestones of verity, using those to buy gear for some other job, and it levels up with the job like how I described above. -
08-07-2017, 04:27 PMDameronWell, you can buy heirlooms with Gold nowadays. Combined with the inflation, even complete newbies can afford a full set before they hit 60.Quote:
Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic
Also, we already know it will be the same as in WoW, because the same WoW players who used heirlooms there are coming here to demand heirlooms here. And as such, even if they get heirlooms that aren't overstatted, they'll eventually start demanding the OP stats until they get their way. Demand a finger, take an arm.
The level sync would admittedly alleviate things a little, but I'm still completely opposed to creating gear that will be able to carry people all the way to max level without needing replacements. It's a stupid idea that basically makes an entire part of the game play itself. Leveling players already get plenty, give them even more and it will become as boring as in WoW. -
08-07-2017, 04:37 PMNezeriusSorta offtopic, but the WoW token made it much easier for even a newer player to obtain them, it just requires throwing a bit of extra money at Blizzard, and joining a random tradechat guild. They can basically buy a WoW token, sell it for around 135k (or around 210k if on EU), and buy a full set of the exp bonus heirlooms (helm, shoulders, cloak, chest, pants) + the items to upgrade them all to 110, for 42.5k.Quote:
Originally Posted by magnanimousCynic
Then again, a new player would just use the free boost to 100 anyway.
As for heirlooms in XIV? I dunno, maybe ones that only increase in stats as you level up. The armoury system already handles the increased exp part that WoW heirlooms give. -
08-07-2017, 04:45 PMGenoreaper
My main issue even without xp is I hate filing my inventory and armory, just from blm i have tons of primal staffs ect. And I hate junking gear to find out when I start a new class I got nothing for them to wear lol. Xp was just a suggestion and for the snide just play the game comment. Being in potd nonstop isn't really playing much of the game, no fates, no dungeons, msq all done, scattered quests here and there. But I guess it somehow offends you and your epeen
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08-07-2017, 05:30 PMLadyKairi
I may be wrong, but didn't someone ask for the possibility of an heirloom system at one of the live Q&As? Could've sworn they said they were working on something that was similar?
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08-07-2017, 10:32 PMAyerinnHeirlooms have a limit - in FF14 they would stop providing XP at 60 if compared to WoW. The armory bonus system is nice and all except it can't apply to the quests that *do not exist* for alt specs...see that is where this whole armory bonus/ play all the classes on one character fails, HARD. Leveling an alt job is a PITA because if you enjoy questing and not doing mind numbing content over and over and over again - you are SoL. In every other MMO I have played (which is a lot...)I always have *many* max level classes because leveling is actually fun in those MMO's - in FF14 the first job is awesome to max and then it is like pulling teeth...literally the only MMO I HATE to level "alts" - talk about slow and boring. *Anything* to speed up the nonsense of leveling alt (battle) jobs in this game would be helpful, including "heirlooms."Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameron
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08-07-2017, 11:31 PMStormfur
Can someone explain to me what the heirloom system is?
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08-08-2017, 12:36 AMSnow_PrincessI did:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormfur
That would be the translation for current FFXIV pretty much. The only thing that can't be done is a way send it to alt characters because this game has a weird phobia of mailing your alts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
Has not done anything to ruin anything, here it would help control inventory issues, something wow does not have a problem with. Meaning they are more needed here. They do need to not have exp bonus though since the Amory bonus already takes care of it, along with some in game gear FFXIV already has.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameron
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08-08-2017, 12:43 AMNaunetThere has always been the option of... not wearing heirlooms. I have pretty much all of them unlocked and very rarely use them in WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameron
This would be nice. And it would help ease armoury issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nezerius
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08-08-2017, 02:27 AMGalgarionNot to mention that wow heirlooms were so powerful that you got good results even if you were playing with a crap rotation, which tricked bad players into thinking they were good up until they outleveled their looms and discovered that they were horrible at their class. They couldn't hang at endgame so they'd just roll new alts and level up all over again. Better to be a big fish in a small pond, and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dameron
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08-08-2017, 11:41 AMJisKing98You say no no no but look what happened with lvl boosts, we still got them. So i wouldnt be surprised if yoshi found some way to bring them inQuote:
Originally Posted by Dameron