Sometimes due to limited time or whatever I have to do the WT for feast because it is fast. I hate it for several reasons:
1. No chat
2. People ignore the quick chat too easy
3. No right click blacklist while in feast.
I am sick and tired of people spaming "good job" for losing/dying (I want blacklist option for this) and people ignoring my collect defense supplies as a healer. With real chat it would be easily explained healers need the defense supplies most of all can (healer A get defense supply west, can healer b get defense supply east?) also no chat prevents asking someone change job.
If it is not possible to put chat in feast/right click blacklist option, because server limitations or something (no idea why it is not there, I am just guessing it is server limitations because of the inventory space excuses) Then remove it as an option from WT book and have front line only for it.
Regardless I am always frustrated at the end of a feast match, it isn't fun (because of the above) and I only do it to get WT sticker.
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08-07-2017, 03:27 AMSnow_PrincessChange feast or remove WT sticker option from feast, make it frontline only
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08-07-2017, 03:29 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
Chat was removed because people couldnt be nice. No server limitations involved.
The pvp community has no one to blame but themselves for that one. -
08-07-2017, 03:32 AMSnow_PrincessI blame development for not having a right click blacklist option then because it is still needed, or actually take action on people causing problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
Regardless just remove it from the WT book then, I do not care, this is not fun. -
08-07-2017, 03:33 AMDark-SaviourUntil the blacklist is > 200 and/or they add an easier means of editing it, I don't know that I'd consider it much of a solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
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08-07-2017, 03:33 AMVidu
WT gives you 16 possible contents to get your 9 stickers - you need to do a little more than half of them. On top of that you can use points to reset those contents that you've done already.
I assume you know that but I mention it because PvP - wether its Feast or Frontlines - is one of sixteen you can do.
Got Feast this week and dont like it? Hell, pick one (or rather 9...) of the other 15 things still left to do!
I see no reason to remove Feast from Khloes book when there are plenty of options you can do instead of it already.
By that logic I could ask for GKMM EX to be removed aswell because I cant see his face anymore... -
08-07-2017, 03:34 AMValkyrie_LennethIf they ban most of the pvp community for being toxic, there no longer is a pvp communityQuote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
Besides, if the people don't listen to quick chat, what makes you think they will pay attention to regular chat
And why remove it, you can just ignore it. And its pretty obvious you do care or you wouldnt have posted.
Do we get to request the devs remove lalafels from the game because we don't find them fun? -
08-07-2017, 04:26 AMSnow_PrincessSo it is ok to ignore something broken because you "can ignore it"? It is not asking to remove it from WT, it is asking to remove it from WT if they cannot fix it. The fixes are, putting chat in feast, if they disagree because they can't take action on people violation the tos (I thought that was what GMs are for, and I never said "ban" I said take action. It makes no sense to me they suddenly can't take action because it would be too much of a money loss to keep in contract? Isn't an issue they are not keeping their end of it because of too much lost sub?) we still need a blacklist feature to stop the quick chat spam (so basically taking chat away, if what you said was true "Chat was removed because people couldn't be nice. No server limitations involved." did nothing to change it) If they can't add a blacklist function, something that is needed with chat (i guess? no idea) and is needed with quick chat (shouldn't have to deal with hearing that sound and spam in my log) so if they can't add a blacklist function, then remove it from WT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
Everything else has nothing to do with the issue, and borderline insulting. -
08-07-2017, 04:30 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
You have 15 things to choose from for WT. Just ignore the ones you dont find fun. There, problem solved. The same as any other thing you don't find fun. What about the people who like it there? why should you be able to remove something they enjoy?
You say it's borderline insulting, but how? You dont have fun in the feast, i will never find playing a lalafel fun. Same thing no? -
08-07-2017, 04:46 AMVidu
I can understand wanting to have Feast changed/fixed - but then ask for that directly instead of hiding it behind some weird excuse.
This whole thread strongely reminds me of another person who also seems to dislike Feast and specially the no-chat-option in there and who tries to drag that into a lot of topics that are at best losely related to the "problem" (if we even agree on it being a problem). Even after the changes made I still (more or less) enjoyed my Feast-Matches and we still see tournaments etc. I wouldnt go so far to say its "broken" just because someone doesnt like it anymore.
And if it happens to be you who thinks Feast need to be fixed, your fix might very well be: Just stay out of it. And if you're doing it for Khloe - pick one of the other 15 things you can do.
Edit on the limited time aspect: You have two weeks to finish each books. Two weeks. A possible, easy combination for 9 stickers is: 4 dungeons+3ARR EX-primals+2 coils - with the chance of having an easy HW-Primal, Alexander or PotD in there aswell. And thats not counting reset-points, even. Feast is by no means your only way to get a quick sticker. -
08-07-2017, 04:59 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
I noticed that similarity too. And its funny how when that person stopped posting another account did, and now that account stopped and theres another new one, all with the same posting style and complaonts.
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08-07-2017, 05:54 AMSnow_Princess
I do not know what you are all talking about, but derailing a topic isn't nice. What I meant by time is how long it takes to do something with how much I get to play (or willing to play since it is getting dull running same things over and over again) So I figured I give feast another try to see if it improved, and so far, at least the latest comments, has no reply to the blacklist issue. If someone is going to spam these quick chat pings, I should have a right to blacklist the person, it is broken in that respect, and saying there are tournaments, etc does not changethe fact it has problems. Guess what? premades will not spam each-other and try hinder winning, being in a tournaments, but that issue shouldn't exist with full chat either, or are you telling me people where toxic in tournaments too? Also it is not "15 options" It has 3, and depending on rng, has 3 others (70) and any one that might cross with leveling and frontline to hit the weekly, outside those is just a waste of time.
I am not sure why you are fighting me, even going as far as deraling the topic when I am simply asking for a right click blacklist (pretty sure every other MNO in existence has this) and if this can't be added for whatever reason, drop it from WT option. it is not even a big request...
The only thing I noticed here is "I hate change" no matter what it may be. -
08-07-2017, 06:13 AMViduStop, stop, stop - why do you even include WTs in this when its The Feast itself you want to talk about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow_Princess
Seriously, why are you bringing something that is unrelated to the whole Feast-issue you actually want to talk about?
If you dont want to hear things like "There are 15 other options in WT for you" and count that as derailing - why is your thread-title about WT in the first place? Thats pretty missleading and derailing already.
If you want to talk about the changes they've made to Feast "long" ago, why not make a thread about that?
...except we HAD threads about that and it seems pretty pointless, since there haven been threads about this and it seems very clear that SE doesnt intend to change that. Frankly, I can see why the chat is gone and its probably for the best that it stays gone.
For the whole blacklist-issue... I just dont why you had to fold that into an issue thats not really related to that. -
08-07-2017, 06:22 AMSnow_PrincessBecause the only reason I care about feast is because it is sometimes an option in the WT book. I'd just prefer it be front line, where I can do the front line daily, so when I do expert and front line 3 times a week, I am done in 3 days, while getting the WT stickers, it is called being time efficient. However I do not mind doing other things outside that and give feast a try when it is for a sticker. So why is RNG telling me, front lines or feast, when feast is not enjoyable, because I can't blacklist? I do not understand why you are telling me I can't comment on WT, when that very thing bought me in trying feast here and there for the sticker, something short and different once in a while. However it is not enjoyable when 1. I can't blacklist spam, and has no chat. It does not make sense to me the development team censoring to this degree. Why did they make this mess of a chat when all they had to do was right click blacklist?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vidu
When I have limited WT options this week, try feast, hate the result because I can't blacklist the person "Good job" because he wants to run to the opponents and get killed for no healing, and wonder why I am commenting on WT? If they can't fix this (we are on 4.05, soon to be 4.06 and do not have a right click blacklist?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?) So because the game is so old, I figure maybe be easier for them drop feast from WT if they can't add it. Why is this an issue to talk about WT when it has to do with WT?
I am not counting the 15 options as derailing, I said Valkyrie_Lenneth' last post was, it is completely out of line.
I want a black list option to block the spam is the core of this thread -.- and if they are to add that, so should normal chat. Why take all this trouble to add a new chat system and not simply right click blacklist? -
08-07-2017, 07:03 AMSerilda
You make perfectly good points about some of the flaws of the Feast, like the crippled chat system which I hate. But this has nothing to do with WT. There are problems with other content too - the old 24-man raids, other outdated things - and they're still in WT too. What if I get mad I can't clear Garuda EX or something (somehow) and get in a few salty parties which make me want to ban things? The problem isn't with WT if that happens, it's with my parties, or possibly with me.
You're getting pushback because you're asking them to delete something other people enjoy for no reason; nobody is forcing you to choose to spend your WT options on a mode you hate. If you're not enjoying 8v8, 4v4 is quite different. If you're always getting nasty teammates, then let's discuss that, not WT. I personally enjoy having the PVP options in WT and the Feast one does encourage me to poke around in there in spite of the queues. Incidentally, it's quite rare for healers to get or want the defensive buff in 8v8 in my server group. Maybe your tactics aren't always widely accepted? And having chat to tell someone to change job probably still won't make them change job, sad to say. -
08-07-2017, 07:28 AMMirch
Why remove feast from wt? It is like the easiest and fastest stamp to get
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08-07-2017, 07:31 AMTheodricIt's a silly stance to take. Punishing everybody for the actions of a select few. An efficient chat system is a necessity for numerous reasons, especially for relaying tactics in the moment or helping new players figure out what to do. The chat toxicity was never any worse than what can be found in other competitive PvP games such as Overwatch which is in itself arguably so successful because you can chat with fellow players. It was a heavy handed move on the part of the development team and the feedback in response has been largely negative...and given little to no official acknowledgement as of the present day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
If they truly saw it as a problem they could invest in a better system to report and process players taking things too far. The 'toxic' players just find new ways to irritate their team, anyway - such as spamming 'Nice job!' or just deliberately running into the middle of the enemy team to die. -
08-07-2017, 07:33 AMSnow_PrincessStawman? What does not clearing some content have to do with functionality? This is 4.06!!!!!!!!!!! <<< without a right click blacklist? it is a basic function in all MNOs that i know of. I never said anything about caring that my team lost because that is not the point. Enabling harassment though the WT is uncalled for and with the game this old, I am requesting it be removed to WT if they can't stop the enabling of harassment though feast because the game still lacks a right click blacklistQuote:
Originally Posted by Serilda
Because of the harassment enabling it has. A simple right click blacklist would do wonders. If they can't stop the enabling of harassment I like to see it off WT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirch
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08-07-2017, 07:40 AMSerilda
But some of the threads here show that harassment is just as common out of Feast as in it. Not a day goes by without someone posting about some ridiculous squabble in a random DF group somewhere.
I've never needed it but I have nothing against them adding a more convenient way to blacklist people if it's a feature that's missing. Sure. But for pity's sake, it has nothing to do with WT whatsoever. -
08-07-2017, 12:52 PMFynlar
Nobody's forcing you to do Feast.
I think the chat restrictions in Feast are silly too but I don't see what that has to do with Wondrous Tails. There's a reason why it gives you 16 options, and even if that is not enough for you to complete 9 of them, there's a reason why it gives you retries.