RDM Dualcast

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08-02-2017, 06:35 AM
CupDeNoodles

RDM Dualcast

I have an idea, not sure if it's a good idea.

I often, while playing RDM, hit Jolt while under the Dualcast effect thus wasting said Dualcast. Now I'm not sure how Jolt plays into a lv70 rotation while Dualcast is active but I feel as though, if it's never meant to be cast while Dualcast is active than why be able to cast it at all?

More to the point.

Is it possible to have an added effect on the Dualcast buff that prevents the casting of Jolt so I can stop wasting Dualcast? Please? :(
08-02-2017, 06:38 AM
dragonseth07

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Originally Posted by CupDeNoodles

I have an idea, not sure if it's a good idea.

I often, while playing RDM, hit Jolt while under the Dualcast effect thus wasting said Dualcast. Now I'm not sure how Jolt plays into a lv70 rotation while Dualcast is active but I feel as though, if it's never meant to be cast while Dualcast is active than why be able to cast it at all?

More to the point.

Is it possible to have an added effect on the Dualcast buff that prevents the casting of Jolt so I can stop wasting Dualcast? Please? :(

For the same reason I can press Rage of Halone without the combo active.
08-02-2017, 06:47 AM
CupDeNoodles

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

For the same reason I can press Rage of Halone without the combo active.

I main warrior so I know what you're talking about but I think the Dualcast thing is a bit different. I have had moments on warrior where I screwed the combo because of lag. The only way you know Dualcast is active is by looking for the buff itself whereas your example is a chain of combos.
08-02-2017, 06:47 AM
SwdVengeance

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Originally Posted by CupDeNoodles

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There are times when you'll actually want to blow dual on a Jolt/Impact. Granted I admit this situation is usually rare, depending on how the math lines up on your bars, a Jolt/Impact is optimal to get as close to 100/99 before dumping it. Lining up that perfect double Enchanted Redoublement while Embolden is up has a pretty narrow range on those mana bars and sometimes you just need those extra 3/4 points in both to hit it.
08-02-2017, 06:52 AM
Phafi

let's just make every job like monk so people can't screw up while we're at it.
08-02-2017, 06:53 AM
SendohJin

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Originally Posted by CupDeNoodles

The only way you know Dualcast is active is by looking for the buff itself whereas your example is a chain of combos.

this is a big problem with the RDM gauge. the gauge should tell you when Dualcast is available and when Verstone/Verfire procs.
08-02-2017, 06:53 AM
Dualgunner

It would be cool if the UI element reflected Dualcast being up in some way so I don't have to search my buff bar but SwdVengeance has a good point--sometimes it's advantageous to cast jolt 2/impact.
08-02-2017, 06:55 AM
Avatre

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

this is a big problem with the RDM gauge. the gauge should tell you when Dualcast is available and when Verstone/Verfire procs.

The buff that comes up EVERYTIME you cast a spell isn't enough for knowing Dualcast is available? The glowing boarder around Verstone/Verfire isn't enough indication? The only reason I can see those being missed are:

1. Lag so bad it actually doesn't let you get skills off
2. Playing with your HUD completely invisible
3. Not looking at the screen and watching Netflix instead

Did I miss one?

It's also the only pink-ish coloured buff you see as a RDM 99.99999% of the time(not even sure if there is another one that is that colour anyways).
08-02-2017, 06:55 AM
CupDeNoodles

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

this is a big problem with the RDM gauge. the gauge should tell you when Dualcast is available and when Verstone/Verfire procs.

I love this idea too. I'd be cool with this too as I'm always looking at it more than I do on say warrior.
08-02-2017, 06:58 AM
Dualgunner

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Originally Posted by Avatre

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It'd be helpful for the times I thought I fired off my dualcast spell but for whatever reason the spell didn't actually go off, in my case anyway.
08-02-2017, 06:58 AM
CupDeNoodles

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Originally Posted by SwdVengeance

There are times when you'll actually want to blow dual on a Jolt/Impact. Granted I admit this situation is usually rare, depending on how the math lines up on your bars, a Jolt/Impact is optimal to get as close to 100/99 before dumping it. Lining up that perfect double Enchanted Redoublement while Embolden is up has a pretty narrow range on those mana bars and sometimes you just need those extra 3/4 points in both to hit it.

Well that alone makes my idea a bad one. :P
08-02-2017, 06:59 AM
Zigabar

This reminds me of the gutter gates at bowling alleys.
08-02-2017, 07:11 AM
CupDeNoodles

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Originally Posted by Zigabar

This reminds me of the gutter gates at bowling alleys.

Yeah no. I was under the impression that simplicity was the goal of the development what with condensing skills and making jobs more accessible by those inexperienced in a job. Your analogy is more akin to something like having training wheels on a bike where I consider it more of a quality of life change to Dualcast. Now a flaw was pointed out for my idea and someone did offer an alternative.

I don't think we're having the same discussion here.
08-02-2017, 09:37 AM
Rawrz

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Originally Posted by CupDeNoodles

Yeah no. I was under the impression that simplicity was the goal of the development what with condensing skills and making jobs more accessible by those inexperienced in a job. Your analogy is more akin to something like having training wheels on a bike where I consider it more of a quality of life change to Dualcast. Now a flaw was pointed out for my idea and someone did offer an alternative.

I don't think we're having the same discussion here.

Youre asking to baby proof the job. It is already very simple. Basic math is all rdm takes. Once you get the basics down you can increase your dps by incorporating swiftcast, using your corps/displacement to manipulate mechanics, using manashift to extend foes, casting vercure during awkward look aways or boss invulnerabilities and other little potency gains. Once you level it, you'd understand why it is alright to be as it is.
08-02-2017, 10:48 AM
Rymm

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

It would be cool if the UI element reflected Dualcast being up in some way so I don't have to search my buff bar but SwdVengeance has a good point--sometimes it's advantageous to cast jolt 2/impact.

Have you considered adjusting your UI? I have my buff bar, gauge, and my impact/verfire/verstone/verflare/verholy buttons all located in the same 2 or 3 inch square of my screen so that I just have to glance down at a single spot to know exactly whatever I need to about my resources, procs, buffs at any given time.

There is a distinct difference between 'simplifying' a job and dumbing it down and this kind of thing really feels like the latter.
08-02-2017, 10:49 AM
Jybril

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Originally Posted by CupDeNoodles

Yeah no. I was under the impression that simplicity was the goal of the development what with condensing skills and making jobs more accessible by those inexperienced in a job. Your analogy is more akin to something like having training wheels on a bike where I consider it more of a quality of life change to Dualcast. Now a flaw was pointed out for my idea and someone did offer an alternative.

I don't think we're having the same discussion here.

I would suggest the Crystal on the gauge turn the colour of dc so people can look over.
Otherwise...I dunno what to tell you. I guess pay more attention? The job is already pretty easy...
The dc symbol pops up when ready, right in your face and it makes a sound.
I sometimes mess up dc when I'm pressing really fast so I just have to be more careful.

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Originally Posted by dinnertime

But the purpose of that crystal is to see if your black and white mana are balanced or else it'll change to the color of what's excessive.

Oh I didn't know what it did honestly lol.
I just watched my numbers.
08-02-2017, 11:55 AM
dinnertime

I don't see the point of an indicator from the job UI for Dualcast because it's always around after you cast something and the loss from accidentally using Dualcast on a Jolt, Impact, Verstone and Verfire is honestly minimal unless you somehow do it over and over and over again.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

I would suggest the Crystal on the gauge turn the colour of dc so people can look over.

But the purpose of that crystal is to see if your black and white mana are balanced or else it'll change to the color of what's excessive.
08-02-2017, 12:02 PM
Elfidan

It's annoying to "waste" dualcast , but this is part of your job as player to not get over enthused about punching buttons and mess up. It happens to everyone eventually just take it in stride.
08-02-2017, 12:07 PM
Averax

It's not that horrible for your dps if you screw up and dualcast Jolt II. Yeah it's a stupid thing to do, but you're not going to suffer much from it.

RDM is already a terribly forgiving and non-complex job, they don't need to completely baby proof it. They have to leave room for some rotational mistakes.

This thread reads as "I screwed up my rotation slightly, please make that impossible"

Dualcasting Jolt is sometimes useful even. An example is a time when you need to be standing away from the group, and your mana is ready for melee combo, but you don't want to cap it out and screw up your verholy/verflare (and impact would put it too high). Or when you jolt once and your mana is at say 78/79 and you just need to push it over to get to your melee combo sooner.
08-02-2017, 12:15 PM
Elfidan

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Originally Posted by Averax

It's not that horrible for your dps if you screw up and dualcast Jolt II. Yeah it's a stupid thing to do, but you're not going to suffer much from it.

RDM is already a terribly forgiving and non-complex job, they don't need to completely baby proof it. They have to leave room for some rotational mistakes.

This thread reads as "I screwed up my rotation slightly, please make that impossible"

Rough, but yeah lol.
08-03-2017, 01:24 PM
Fredco191

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Originally Posted by Phafi

let's just make every job like monk so people can't screw up while we're at it.

Would "Straighter Shot" stop me from using Heavy Shot?
08-03-2017, 02:56 PM
Dualgunner

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Originally Posted by Rymm

There is a distinct difference between 'simplifying' a job and dumbing it down and this kind of thing really feels like the latter.

I'm not saying it happens often enough to be an issue, but asking for something that, for me, would be a QoL thing, doesn't feel like simplifying the job. I'm not advocating for what the OP stated, and the OP even changed her mind on that because Jolt 2/Impact do have reasons to be dualcast. Niche, but they exist. Actually not having the choice would frustrate me more, as I can choose to J2/I to go from 78/79 to a melee combo in 1-2 gcds, or flop around between Veraero-Verthunder a bit to get what I want.

As far as my own UI, I have the debuffs, buffs, boss HP, and my mana gauge all fairly close to each other. I have them all enlarged because my eyesight isn't personally the best (some of my static was surprised at how big I made that specific part of the UI). But to add:

Huton was made into a part of the UI. As were GL stacks and Chakras, Umbral Ice/AF, Enochian, etc all were made into bigger parts of the UI for easier at-a-glance workings. I see no real reason why Dualcast couldn't just be tapped on to the Mana meter we already have in some way to help out in a similar fashion, but that said: it works as is. But so did GL, Chakra, UI/AF, Eno, cards, etc.
08-03-2017, 04:13 PM
SokiYagami

If anything I just wish sprint doesn't consume dualcast, it's not a deal breaker but can get annoying at times.
08-03-2017, 04:17 PM
Alistaire

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

Would "Straighter Shot" stop me from using Heavy Shot?

1 step further: it'd change Heavy Shot into Refulgent Arrow.