Gating new weapons behind savage

The new trend is raid savage or don't get a weapon upgrade? During the last expansion everyone could get the new weapon just not the upgrade toke. I feel ripped off.

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I misread the comment.

New weapons have always been gated behind raiding since Midas in HW. In case you haven't noticed, for every weekly clear of Deltascape 4.0 NORMAL, you get a token. 7 of those along with 1k creation tomes get you a new weapon.

So new weapons aren't gated behind Savage.

Don't raid? Suck it up.

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Totally disregarding the new crafted weapons and primal weapons for the sake of staying on topic.

The token for the weapon drops from O4 normal doesn't it?

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Originally Posted by jameseoakes

The token for the weapon drops from O4 normal doesn't it?

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yes it does. O4 normal drops a token once a week. you can exchange 7 tokens for another token. and with this other token and another 10 tokens you have to buy for tomestones you can get the weapon.

This is nothing new. Where have you been last expansion?

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Originally Posted by Tint

yes it does. O4 normal drops a token once a week. you can exchange 7 tokens for another token. and with this other token and another 10 tokens you have to buy for tomestones you can get the weapon.

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Lol. I love SE's convoluted gearing system.

Oh wait, did I say love? I meant hate.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Lol. I love SE's convoluted gearing system.

Oh wait, did I say love? I meant hate.

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What's so convoluted of spending 1000 tomes and beating V4N 7 times?

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Originally Posted by ErryK

What's so convoluted of spending 1000 tomes and beating V4N 7 times?

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The fact that you get tokens to buy tokens to buy tokens....

Textbook example of this game's item bloat. xD

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Lol. I love SE's convoluted gearing system.

Oh wait, did I say love? I meant hate.

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We heard you liked tokens so we put some token in your token so you can get tokens from tokens.

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Originally Posted by The_Shang

edit:

I misread the comment.

New weapons have always been gated behind raiding since Midas in HW. In case you haven't noticed, for every weekly clear of Deltascape 4.0 NORMAL, you get a token. 7 of those along with 1k creation tomes get you a new weapon.

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I have completed this several times and yet I haven't seen this token, what is it called, where is it suppose appear....is it a guaranteed drop or loot on roll....I want to believe what you say is true but I cant find any reference to this mystery token online anywhere, explain?

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Originally Posted by Defiled

I have completed this several times and yet I haven't seen this token, what is it called, where is it suppose appear....is it a guaranteed drop or loot on roll....I want to believe what you say is true but I cant find any reference to this mystery token online anywhere, explain?

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http://xivdb.com/item/19122/deltascape+crystalloid

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Originally Posted by Defiled

I have completed this several times and yet I haven't seen this token, what is it called, where is it suppose appear....is it a guaranteed drop or loot on roll....I want to believe what you say is true but I cant find any reference to this mystery token online anywhere, explain?

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It's called Deltascape Crystalloid I believe.

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Originally Posted by Defiled

I have completed this several times and yet I haven't seen this token, what is it called, where is it suppose appear....is it a guaranteed drop or loot on roll....I want to believe what you say is true but I cant find any reference to this mystery token online anywhere, explain?

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http://xivdb.com/item/19122/deltascape+crystalloid

Such a mystery...

edit: beaten, twice!

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Originally Posted by Defiled

I have completed this several times and yet I haven't seen this token, what is it called, where is it suppose appear....is it a guaranteed drop or loot on roll....I want to believe what you say is true but I cant find any reference to this mystery token online anywhere, explain?

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It goes straight into your inventory. No rolls and 100% drop. You only get it the first time you clear each week so if you have done 4.0 it its in your inventory unless you have been dropping them.

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Originally Posted by The_Shang

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Totally disregarding the new crafted weapons and primal weapons for the sake of staying on topic.

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Not to forget the new Relics...whenever we get them.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

The new trend is raid savage or don't get a weapon upgrade? During the last expansion everyone could get the new weapon just not the upgrade toke. I feel ripped off.

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You mean at the end of the expansion where you had to grind the relic weapon or do savage in order to have something at 270+?
This is the very beginning of the new expansion, which is exactly the same way Heavensward was on the first months.

Soon we'll be able to get the weapon with the 7 Omega tokens, on top of the first steps of the relic weapon.
Until then, if you want a better weapon all you have to do is Savage, like every other time new raid tiers were introduced.
It was exactly the same with all the 135 (if memory doesnt fail me) Coil weapons.

I do miss the Coil days where it only effectively took 3 weeks at best to get a new weapon (10 Rowena Tokens; 450+450+10, and the raid token, which was only obtainable from the raid until 24 man alliance raids started to get old, then they'd get added to it), but it was full of uncertainty. With some diligence, you can guaranteed get one in 7 weeks. 4 weeks wouldn't be so bad, but gotta keep the normal raid alive somehow. . .

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Originally Posted by Naunet

The fact that you get tokens to buy tokens to buy tokens....

Textbook example of this game's item bloat. xD

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Umm...so you're upset that you have to convert your gears to a micro-tomestone? You'd be happy if the NPC you buy from just had it cost 7 gears so you don't have to spend the 3 seconds to convert?

Talk about hyperbole. "Item bloat" for spending 3 seconds to convert items... LOL

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Originally Posted by Defiled

I have completed this several times and yet I haven't seen this token, what is it called, where is it suppose appear....is it a guaranteed drop or loot on roll....I want to believe what you say is true but I cant find any reference to this mystery token online anywhere, explain?

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It's called a "Deltascape Crystalloid", and you get it automatically upon completion of Deltascape V4.0 normal mode. Limited to one per week (does not count against once per week part drops).

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Umm...so you're upset that you have to convert your gears to a micro-tomestone? You'd be happy if the NPC you buy from just had it cost 7 gears so you don't have to spend the 3 seconds to convert?

Talk about hyperbole. "Item bloat" for spending 3 seconds to convert items... LOL

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They could actually delete tomestone token. it requiers only 1k, so you should be able to exchange 1k tomestone and 7 O4 token directly. Token you're buying with currency are useful only when there's item asking for more than the currency's limit, aka centurio seals. But IMO they still should do like GW2 and keep it all numerical value. I don't get why they cap tomestone to 2k, those aren't physical item but just a value. And using just an unsigned int as variable type to stock a value, you could go up to 4,294,967,295 tomestones using the same memory before an overflow. Having numerical value instead of token would solve inventory congestion and memory management both at the same time: far more easy to handle simple values than a ton of physical item.

Weapons have always been gated behind raids. The only exceptions were the relic in 2.0 and the eso i200 weapon at the beginning of HW (you directly bought it from the NPC with Tomestones, you only needed savage if you wanted to upgrade it to i210). It's not new, it's been like that since SCoB days.

On top of that, if you don't do raids, you don't need the new weapons for any kind of content.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

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This has always confused me to, why cant the ex token be a currency type, same with the delta thing u need for the new weapons why not have it as a currency that auto gives, with a 1 a week limit like tomes, surely should be easy enough to code in rather then add a new item to the game that takes up probally far more char memory. This is what annoys me with SE they say they can not give us more chara details yet they bring out more and more items to bloat the amount of items in game.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

They could actually delete tomestone token. it requiers only 1k, so you should be able to exchange 1k tomestone and 7 O4 token directly. Token you're buying with currency are useful only when there's item asking for more than the currency's limit, aka centurio seals. But IMO they still should do like GW2 and keep it all numerical value. I don't get why they cap tomestone to 2k, those aren't physical item but just a value. And using just an unsigned int as variable type to stock a value, you could go up to 4,294,967,295 tomestones using the same memory before an overflow. Having numerical value instead of token would solve inventory congestion and memory management both at the same time: far more easy to handle simple values than a ton of physical item.

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They started doing this if you look at the crafting yellow scrip tools:

https://bucket.bluegartr.com/a1b0a03...f27e377659.JPG

So there's hope.

Misinformation aside, people sure love to complain about content they'll never make any form of an effort to attempt nowadays.