Could you please not lock content behind Savage? Thanks.

Locking a unique fight such as Neo Exdeath behind Savage was, in my opinion, a poor move.

It might be an unpopular opinion, but it's my opinion nonetheless.

I would have liked to see a normal mode version of Neo Exdeath. Most people aren't going to do Savage fights and thus will never experience the arena or music firsthand. Only through a youtube video.

I liked what they did with A8S, with an additional phase and a slightly augmented boss model to go along with it. Introducing an entirely new fight with a new boss model etc in the Savage version just goes a little too far.

IMO.

Farewell, official forums. Only came here to voice my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

Farewell, official forums. Only came here to voice my opinion.

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Bye Felicia.

I don't understand this complaint.

Basically, the content is only "locked" because you are refusing to do the work for it. Hell, give it another two years or whatever, and I'm sure you can go in when you are iLvl600.

It's not a big deal.

I'm not much of an endgame, hardcore type of player, and I honestly don't have a problem with Neo ExDeath being exclusive to savage.

It's there for those who want it. If you want it, play it. You don't have to be hardcore. Get a group of friends and just have fun and see if you can beat it. I don't think it's anything to get angered about.

I think it's neat and actually makes me want to do the Savage tier this time around.

With all the crying going on about this I fear a normal mode will be added. And that sucks. This is coming from someone who has no plans to even attempt the fight. I'm busy crafting nuggets.

I wonder how OP will react to the info that the "Super Savage" will be locked behind completing all 4 Savage parts and it will be a unique fight...

Part of the reason for this was from Alexander feedback. Since you got all the story from the normal mode, it made Alexander Savage a bit bland after the fact. Especially when there was far less tension and sense of adventure like Coil had, thus there was less of a drive to do it. Sure, high end gear and all, but both players and devs felt the Savage version should offer more than just a means to the end.

*Looks at the "Super Savage" that can only be accessed after clearing O4S.* :rolleyes:

I've got no issue with a fight phase being locked behimd Savage either. Or the Super Savage raid.

If I wanted to do it, I'd buckle down and do it. Simple as that.

Otherwise, Youtube and Twitch exist.

You know, as much as I agree that its okay for hard content like Neo Exdeath to exist. I just can't agree to, or get to the same level of understanding when it comes to the supposed "rush" from doing something unique. Like, so many say that this extra fight makes them want to do Savage and experience it because a "secret" bonus fight. But really, everyone and their puppy knows about Neo Exdeath, everyone knows what the transition looks like. And almost everyone who raids will probably watch a guide for him before fighting anyway.. So really what rush is there to be had? At this point it might as well just be in normal mode lol. This is where my mind conflicts.

Upset with Alex because the savage is the same fight that you've already seen. But with Exdeath it's the same. No one is likely going in surprised to see his new form. And probably saw everything already. Thinking of it this way makes it all look alot like a "Haha you can't do the content because it's not Savage" than "I want to experience the rush or the new special fight, whatever"

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

It might be an unpopular opinion, but it's my opinion nonetheless.

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And you might want to look at why that's your opinion. What kind of terrible attitude brings a person to this conclusion?

This is the same argument against Coil raids that resulted in the current normal/savage paradigm, now that's not good enough? You get to experience the story but now you wanted access to the savage fight?

You'll be able to unsync it and do it in 5.0. So you can wait and do it then, or you can find a group and do it on content now.

As he stated, his post is just that. An opinion. The real question is, do we care? :D

I'm sorry but I just find it funny he's been here since 1.0, 6 years, and this was his last straw lol.

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Originally Posted by Raxiaz

Locking a unique fight such as Neo Exdeath behind Savage was, in my opinion, a poor move.

It might be an unpopular opinion, but it's my opinion nonetheless.

I would have liked to see a normal mode version of Neo Exdeath. Most people aren't going to do Savage fights and thus will never experience the arena or music firsthand. Only through a youtube video.

I liked what they did with A8S, with an additional phase and a slightly augmented boss model to go along with it. Introducing an entirely new fight with a new boss model etc in the Savage version just goes a little too far.

IMO.

Farewell, official forums. Only came here to voice my opinion.

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Couldn't disagree more, give the Savage groups something really cool to look forward to...they got rid of the story locked behind raids...let them have something

There IS a normal mode it's called O4. The point of this is that it's the same if not harder difficulty as savage, so if you can't do savage why would you want to do this?

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Originally Posted by Tsubaki75

There IS a normal mode it's called O4. The point of this is that it's the same if not harder difficulty as savage, so if you can't do savage why would you want to do this?

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Just so we understand the complaint, O4S has an extra phase that does not have an equivalent in O4. It has a sort of cutscene before it which is pretty cool, hence the complaint.

...but Midas had a similar thing as well, so this isn't the first time.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Just so we understand the complaint, O4S has an extra phase that does not have an equivalent in O4. It has a sort of cutscene before it which is pretty cool, hence the complaint.

...but Midas had a similar thing as well, so this isn't the first time.

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Right, won't be the last time either more than likely. My point is, what's wrong with that, the game is tailored to common players as it is and there is more than enough content available. I don't see anything wrong with rewarding hard work. I don't pvp, it's not something I care for in this game, but I'll never complain that I can't get <insert mount name here> or anything else because i don't do the content.

...So they nerf the difficulty of Savage through the damn floor so that practically anyone with half a braincell can down it, and people are still crying because of "gated content" and small little "exclusives" like this?

I swear on all that lives. I have seen more entitlement in these forums since the drop of this tier than all other tiers put together. ._. What more do people want? :/ When super savage drops, the ONE FIGHT IN THE GAME that is supposed to be difficult for the "1%", people will cry because that is "gated content" and they don't "have access to it".

Like it or not, people that actually ENJOY a challenge and like being rewarded for their actual work and effort DO make up a significant portion of the playerbase. Give the rewards to the masses that just "don't want to do it" and our effort goes out the window. It means nothing. You people get catered to enough. At least let the "upper tier" have SOMETHING. If they can't have a damn cutscene or an extension of a pre-existing fight... imagine how you would feel if that's all you had. You'd probably lose interest in the game pretty fast. Just like the "upper tier" of players does, because things are so damn easy now.

TL;DR: You want it? Get your buddies and go WORK for it. Savage is braindead easy now. You wanted it that way.

You can't have everything in life if you aren't willing to work for it.

I don't get it. People already lose their minds over something like Royal Menagerie, and you want them to be able to access this fight... for what exactly?

The devs already made this savage tier a tad more simple (I haven't beaten any floor mind, just going on what I've read and what videos I've watched) so that it is more accessible to people who have neither time nor patience to dedicate weeks into clearing overly difficult fights - this is supposed to be a kind of reward and a mini-game to the people who clear all floors and are looking toward something a tad more challenging.

Give it a few month's time and you'll be able to clear the fight with echo - I really don't see the point of adding a "normal" version of a fight that is supposed to exist solely as the HARDEST fight in the game, and I really am not looking forward to another trial that everyone cries about because being normal or story mode implies everyone should be able to do it blindfolded.

You know what else is locked behind a difficulty wall? Shirtless Gladio in FFXV.

I could get mad, whine on a forum and shield my not blogging with "but it's just my opinion though", and stare longingly at other people's videos of playing with a topless Gladio. Or I could git gud and earn that locked content myself.

You could git gud too.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You know what else is locked behind a difficulty wall? Shirtless Gladio in FFXV.

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You are on to something.

If T&A was gated behind hard content, more people would probably do said hard content.

Exclusive butt window glams! Let's do this SE!

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Originally Posted by missybee

Exclusive butt window glams! Let's do this SE!

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*looks at elf husband clone characters*

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...GODS yes.

You just won the internet for today.

just wait for undersized, it's the best solution to this.

Could you please take your cry baby agenda back to your safe place. The rest of us would like to play a game with at least some challenge and a bit of uniqueness to each encounter.
Your probably that gamer that could only complete games with a handicap like using a gameshark or game genie.

I agree the normal versions were disappointing, no tank swaps, no real challenge. Kinda wish the savage version was the normal version with the savage difficulty. Think they locked the special fight to give people reason to do it so they can feel good about themselves. Gives them reason to do savage beside the gear that gets replaced by next patch.

I like how this never came up during Midas. Just because it's Neo Ex-Death doesn't mean you're entitled to have an easy mode version. Raiders wanted something wholly unique since the majority of mechanics are spoiled in normal mode. If you want to experience it, either join a pug, static or wait until you can unsync it.

I think it is a good idea what they did with Neo Exdeath. Makes me really want to get to the point where I can see the fight for myself. :)
Savage raiders deserve to get things like that.

Have you never played a video game before?

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Originally Posted by Legion88

I wonder how OP will react to the info that the "Super Savage" will be locked behind completing all 4 Savage parts and it will be a unique fight...

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There's a "Super Savage" mode coming out someday?

Will be interesting to see how SE reacts to this and the likely analogous complaints when "Super Savage" comes out. If SE changes tack again, like the creation of normal mode, it will further emphasize the monetary power of the non-raiding population (which is the likely the majority). SE is a business accountable to stockholders after all. Corporate may very well overrule the devs, again.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

There's a "Super Savage" mode coming out someday?

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Yeah, its basically going to be a series of challenging fights that you unlock by finishing O4S (presumably future raid tiers to unlock future SS fights). Its not necessarily related to the current raid tier, but a fight to challenge yourself to after you finish the tier. Right now only the first is under development though.

Edit: Fights are one boss, however there are going to be multiple of them, hence "series"

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Originally Posted by Lildragora

Yeah, its basically going to be a series of challenging fights

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That is not 100% true. It will be one boss, a remake of an old savage boss with harder and maybe new mechanics. :)

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Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves

That is not 100% true. It will be one boss, a remake of an old savage boss with harder and maybe new mechanics. :)

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As per the live letter, it will be a series. A series could also be something like the warring triad. I understand how my formatting and word choice could be interpreted as a string of fights, and you are correct they are one off boss fights. But it is going to be a series of fights none the less. Edited my post to reflect that clarification, thank you.

Well, if you are talking about all the Super Savages that will be released, yes, you can define this as a series.
I was talking about the single one that will come out next and is locked behind O4s and I am pretty sure it will only be one boss/fight per Super Savage. :)