Please explain BiS stuff to me

I play a samurai, and everyone tells me there are different pieces of gear that are best in slot. I know I should go for pieces with Direct Hit and Crit, but I've crafted all my own 320 gear and penta-melded it with relevant materia - but I'm told that's still not good enough and that stuff like the Ala Migan coat is better.

Help!

Does it look better? Pretty sure it looks better. You see, the stats dont matter to much as long as you look awesome - you probably have totally neglected that.
Keep your 230-gear but glamour the Ala Migan coat over it asap and you should be fine.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I play a samurai, and everyone tells me there are different pieces of gear that are best in slot. I know I should go for pieces with Direct Hit and Crit, but I've crafted all my own 230 gear and penta-melded it with relevant materia - but I'm told that's still not good enough and that stuff like the Ala Migan coat is better.

Help!

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BiS is a mathematical meta designed specifically for min-maxing of stats in order to optimize the output (damage typically, but can also be healing and such) of a particular job. The issue with trying to be "BiS", though, is that it can actually be situational to the fight so one duty can have one BiS build while another can have a different BiS build. On top of this, you generally only need to be BiS for 2 things: FFLogs and Savage progression raiding. If you're not doing either of these than BiS doesn't much matter.

All of that being said, if you want to figure out your BiS you can always use the tools on http://ffxiv.ariyala.com

Its a bit more dependant on class.
For example, back when we had Parry and Accuracy, you only need, lets say, 500 accuracy to hit a boss. if you had 500 accuracy already, picking a piece of gear that had +150accuracy, or a piece of +100crit, which would you choose?

Now with the changes, the "best" stat usually isnt AS noticable, except in certain situations.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Does it look better? Pretty sure it looks better. You see, the stats dont matter to much as long as you look awesome - you probably have totally neglected that.
Keep your 230-gear but glamour the Ala Migan coat over it asap and you should be fine.

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LOL

Ultimately BiS is what you aim for as a savage raider your BiS is a mix match of the highest ilvl pieces in order to get the most out of stats so if that doesn't concern you just focus on getting the highest ilvl pieces you can.

BiS is just the gear in a particular tier that provides the most of whatever stat a particular job desires. For SAM: DH=SkS>Det>Crit.

So lets just take ilvl 320 gear for example.
1 - http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...3ef8e8/?patch=
2 - http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...6f425b/?patch=

If you wanted to prioritize Direct Hit you would use piece #2 as it has more DH then you could meld into #1. If you wanted to prioritize SkS you would use piece # 1 as it has more than you could meld into piece #2.

...guys, that person is a know foren-troll and I would be extremly surprised if their question was actually serious (hence my reply)

I do hope that anyone who does need advice on this matter stumbles over your helpful answers though, so they wont go to waste.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

...guys, that person is a know foren-troll and I would be extremly surprised if their question was actually serious (hence my reply)

I do hope that anyone who does need advice on this matter stumbles over your helpful answers though, so they wont go to waste.

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Even a forum troll trying to be trolly can ask a question which is generally useful to the community on accident. I echo the hope that, if this is indeed a troll thread, the proper answers do benefit those that actually need the advice regardless.

Well... seeing as even penta-melded 230 gear is nowhere close to 310 gear, much less 320 or 330... yeah, they are justified in telling you it's not good enough.

I'm not a troll.. I genuinely want to know so that I can keep improving :(

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I'm not a troll.. I genuinely want to know so that I can keep improving :(

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Then I refer you back to my comment below:

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Originally Posted by Malzian

BiS is a mathematical meta designed specifically for min-maxing of stats in order to optimize the output (damage typically, but can also be healing and such) of a particular job. The issue with trying to be "BiS", though, is that it can actually be situational to the fight so one duty can have one BiS build while another can have a different BiS build. On top of this, you generally only need to be BiS for 2 things: FFLogs and Savage progression raiding. If you're not doing either of these than BiS doesn't much matter.

All of that being said, if you want to figure out your BiS you can always use the tools on http://ffxiv.ariyala.com

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I play a samurai, and everyone tells me there are different pieces of gear that are best in slot. I know I should go for pieces with Direct Hit and Crit, but I've crafted all my own 230 gear and penta-melded it with relevant materia - but I'm told that's still not good enough and that stuff like the Ala Migan coat is better.

Help!

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I guess you have the ilevel 230 gear for a lv 60-63 job?
Replace them with ilevel 260/270 gears that have your favourite second stats

If you use it for your lv 70 Samurai then I guess you are trolling

He's using 320s. It was an obvious typo. I highly doubt your 310 set would be better than a 320 pentamelded version. Huge discrepancies in dps weights died with surplus accuracy.


This is his top. Too lazy to upload an image.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/7539284/equipment/3/

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

He's using 320s. It was an obvious typo. I highly doubt your 310 set would be better than a 320 pentamelded version. Huge discrepancies in dps weights died with surplus accuracy.


This is his top. Too lazy to upload an image.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...4/equipment/3/

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Indeed, I looked at his character. 320 pentamelds are perfectly fine. And he hasn't used trash stats or anything, so there is nothing wrong with this equipment. In fact, it's probably better than most players out there right now.

I suspect the problem is that people see green and don't bother looking at the ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I genuinely want to know so that I can keep improving :(

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BiS is figured by determining the statweight of each, then determining how much each piece gives you total. The gear with higher total is your best in slot, even if the stats aren't always ones you desire. Every time gear comes out, you weigh the total stats against each one and upgrade when you receive more total statweight.

The issue: we don't know what the statweights are currently and it's unclear if we will this time at all. The best thing I could direct you to is a graph showing the curve between direct hit, crit and determination and where the stats cross over being better over another. Actually, I'm a little afraid of linking it directly, but it said (and this is in the confines of DPS, not tanks or healers) that DH is king until you have around 2,900 crit. Unless you have a crit gimmick, like bard, where then you'd stack crit.

There's been a debate [on JP theory crafters] that each job has its own power modifiers and how stats affect it. IE: Monk's skill speed may be as good as direct hit. Not too dissimilar how spell speed seems to be generally favored for black mages. The stats change per job based on a bunch of different variables. Unfortunately, I doubt that we'll ever get concrete stat weights (like you might find on Monster Hunter's damage formulas) and all we will have to rely on is seeing logs and hypotheticals with number crunching. It's trickier to calculate and requires constant testing. For all we know, SE alters the stats slightly every time new gear is added and we'd have to re-evaluate it (like them simply rounding numbers).

The easiest rules to follow, though, are this: weapon damage > main stat > secondary stat. You won't be min- maxing, but you'll be okay until you pick up on what's better than something else.

That being said, I'm no theorycrafter, just echoing things being figured out by people far smarter than me, often in another language.

OMG.. I meant 320, not 230. /facedesk. Yeah, trying to do raids in 230s would be awfully trollish wouldn't it.

So I can't really use the stats on weapon/armor as a guide like I've been doing? For example, let's say my piece of crafted gear has strength, vitality, direct hit and determination. The materia melding shows I can add a bunch of crit since that's not even shown, so I could add a couple of materia VI's to have like 80 crit on top of the other stats - or would it be better to get a piece that has crit by default and THEN add crit materia to that if I could?