Yes its another PL thread...
Seriously though I notice people PLing different jobs with each patch (this one is archer), and from what i've seen of the moogle fight archer's really aren't that much better then any other class. Its just easier to do it with archers so why not just have everyone level archer, especially considering it only takes a few days of PLing to get a class to 50.
Also 1/2 the people in my LS spend time grinding jobs, I get that its something to do but people aren't making any real effort getting primal fight groups together, especially considering the speed at which SE has been rendering equipment obsolete
their really isn't anything productive long term to do outside of level.
Also now that getting jobs to 50 is so productive, people are grinding every job to 50, so now something that was originally implemented to decrease the leveling speed ended up just destroying class uniqueness and encouraging people to level every job and grind even more!
One more thing, 2 people switching off PLing people is faster then leveling in a group from 1-30 so it destroys that. In fact its faster to PL a secondary account and PL yourself to 30 then it is to actually level to 30 due to the lack of parties present because of said PLing.
That being said (and this is one of my favorites), people are starting to PL account characters and then selling them for money as a form of gold farming.
I get PLing is a great way to get your friends into FFXIV but is it any better then just letting people get to 50 quickly on their own?
I see why people feel strongly about this topic I think this issue supports a larger idealistic issue that has gone unresolved in MMO's for far too long. Is yoshi-P and his development team willing to ask these questions? The party system and player search is in place, why is SE still letting PLing be 50% of what people are spending their time doing in game.
I'm placing my bet now, when p2p starts this games criticism is going to get a lot harsher and a lot more realistic. And PLing is going to be on of the first things in everyones crosshairs.
/rant
I hope what i said doesn't derail the topic too much, more importantly i'd like to read what the community thinks of PLing in terms of how or if it affects other content NOT the ethics of it.
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12-23-2011, 08:59 PMKenJamminIs PLing is distracting people from end game content and class experimentation?
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12-23-2011, 09:12 PMSephrickWhat proof is there of this? And who in their right mind would buy a character if it's so easy to level one on your own?Quote:
That being said (and this is one of my favorites), people are starting to PL account characters and then selling them for money as a form of gold farming.
There's not even a dead horse to beat any more. You're just sort of pounding sand at this point.Quote:
I get PLing is a great way to get your friends into FFXIV but is it any better then just letting people get to 50 quickly on their own?
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12-23-2011, 09:21 PMXooPeople buying gil in the first place doesn't make much sense, but it looks like they do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephrick
The horse isn't dead, gross abuse of PL is still alive and kicking. It needs to be beaten until it dies.
EDIT: I was looking for the big "PL is broken" thread the other day and couldn't find it at all. Did mods delete it? -
12-23-2011, 09:27 PMviion
didnt know you could pl with the new skills :D
of to pl ma arch, cya! -
12-23-2011, 09:33 PMXooHave you even tried to start a normal party?Quote:
Originally Posted by viion
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12-23-2011, 09:40 PMNeroLazy People would and did in FFXI. I could tell you Stories where People spend more Money on a Character than others do on a Car. You just need to google for FFXIV Characters and you will find them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephrick
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I think PL'ing is fine and that is what Yoshi wanted, but its going to fast. If it would take like 4 Weeks for a Class from 1 to 50 it would be still fine, but 4 days from 1 to 50 is hilarious. -
12-23-2011, 09:48 PMKenJammin
Since when is watching someone kill stuff for you a fun way to level?!
Seriously having your friends burn you to end game content while you stand around doesn't make sense, How bout if you know a friend who plays FFXIV you can give them a little code and they can start on your server with a free level 40 character?
They're are a million ways to solve this problem destroying leveling for everyone is far from an ideal solution.
Heres a simple MMO design rule: All players will use the quickest and easiest rout to accomplish their goal.
If PLing is the fastest way to level plan for it to be the only way to level... -
12-23-2011, 10:00 PMSephrickThis over dramatic posturing is boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenJammin
I'm on your server and have had no problem finding legitimate parties. All my leveling has been done in non-PL parties save for a single level on my THM. And even then I found it to not be nearly as efficient as normal partying.
Power leveling is a non issue in this game. The last 200-some odd page thread about it just finally died and this one needs to follow suit. -
12-23-2011, 10:19 PMNikita
OMG POWER LEVELING!!!!!!!!111!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!11111one1111111!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NERFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
FFS its pretty much a non issue anymore and you people are still going on about it. -
12-23-2011, 10:25 PMXoo..and the people that despise it will go on about it until it changes or they quit because of the load of horseshit it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikita
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12-23-2011, 10:45 PMRemVyeStopped reading after this... when I realized you had no idea what you were talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenJammin
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12-24-2011, 12:21 AMMasamune1004
Every time you plvl, a moogle gets cancer.