Monk Thread 4.0 (Bring back Greased Lightning IV)

I want to centralize my monk suggestions in one post.
For my part, I don't want a buff of monk, but I want a little rework of some awkward skill we get in stormblood.

First Riddle of fire

Riddle of Fire is a good skill which helps and gives an insane burst to the monk during 20 second, but it feels pretty uncomfortable. It doesn't fit with class' use, so I suggest to replace it with an oGCD which gives Gl4 during 20 seconds to fit more with feeling with the class because when I play monk, I want to punch faster and not slower.

Tackle Mastery

Is basically a good idea which give fist stances more utility, but at the end, is just a trait that's gives 20 potency to shoulder tackle. So I would suggest a complete rework of the tackle mastery trait. It would gives 5% damage to all fist stances who work like the bard songs.

For example :
Fist of fire should get a better chakra Generation and buff TFC.
Fist of Wind should get a better buff of potency when the positional succeed.
Fist of earth sorry I don't have any ideas.

Are my ideas guys, feel free to give yours.
Maybe Square enix will hear us.
Sorry for my bad english

SE if you are reading please give this idea a fair try. Not much rework involved and these changes are very feasible

Riddle of fire: Can be left as is effect wise, but give us a new animation that during the period the buff is up, all our WS impacts are doubled or tripled including the sound effects. This way even though we are slower it gives users a more impactful feeling.

Riddle of wind: I understand what is trying to be done here but 4 seconds is just too short of a period. There is nowhere this skill can be used even, in savage its useless. A simple fix, remove the stun, increase the range, and extend the duration to 10 sec.

Riddle of earth: Its good, and works and still takes some skill to time it right at times. The only thing that would make it better is if it actually instead of extending GL, it grants full stacks of GL on taking dmg, this way there is synergy with Tornado kick and creates more opportinities for usage, I can tell at one point this was the plan for riddle of earth, due to how it was used in the benchmark. Of course TK will have to either be nerfed or riddle of earth cooldown increased.

Tackle mastery, already touched on wind tackle

Earth tackle: Simiply make earth tackle refresh shoulder tackle on taking dmg, creating again more synergy with riddle of earth and tornado kick.

Brotherhood is good, but needs to have just a slightly higher than 30% chance for others to give stacks.

To make brotherhood even better, have the % change increase the less physical dps are in party. This will maintain its effectiveness with any party composition.

With these small changes I think will make mnk play and feel a lot better without changing its dps, which is great at the moment.

+1 to remove weaponskill recast time from RoF. Lower damage bonus to compensate. Also, rework One Ilm and Tornado Kick so that they actually see some use.

My biggest problem with Brotherhood is that it only really comes into fruition in 8-man content heavy on physical DPS, and is pretty garbage otherwise. I would prefer if its benefit to the monk would be normalized to work regardless of party composition.

For some napkin math, consider two tanks (~2.5s GCD), a BRD (~2.5s GCD, plus one use of Empyreal), and a NIN (~2.0s GCD). In Brotherhood's 15s duration, they would use about 26 weaponskills, 30% of which would gain the Monk Chakra, for about 8 Chakra total. A MNK at GL3 can fit 7 weaponskills into the duration. My suggestion would be for Brotherhood to keep its 5% physical damage increase in an AoE around the MNK (potentially including the MNK as well), but rather than recovering Chakra from allied WS, give the MNK a guaranteed Chakra every time they execute a weaponskill (for up to 2 if Deep Meditation procs as well), and potentially add an increased success rate for Deep Meditation for the duration of the effect to make up the difference. That way, it's less dependent on RNG and party composition.

Remove Arm of the Destroyer

Enhanced Fist of Wind trait: Give it a 5% chance to crit boost

Wind Tackle does no damage and no stun but has a 30y range. Grants Riddle of Wind for 5 seconds
Riddle of Wind is now an Axe Kick that hits for 180 potency.

Riddle of Earth: Only usable in Fist of Earth. Cross Counters! Deals an 180 potency attack that can only be used after taking damage. 1 second recast.

Perfect Balance: Cooldown reduced to 45s. There's no actual reason for it to be 180 seconds

Deep Meditation: Abilities also can now proc a chakra when they crit

With this, I feel like you'd be dancing more. You'd want to be in Fist of Wind for tackles, you'd want to be in Fist of Earth for when unavoidable damage is happening, and you'd want to be in Fist of Fire for everything else. Deep Meditation doesn't feel like 50% to begin with but the fact that it's only weaponskills sucks.

Tornado kick is worthless, needs a big buff. Steel Peak needs to be fixed, low potency for that cooldown.

How can we bring back something we never had?
Makes no sense...

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Originally Posted by Chill_Ghost

Remove Arm of the Destroyer

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I agree with your entire post but gods 100% this.

Bonus points if GL4 is introduced without an oGCD (a more complex execution path to unlock its use); and it would be nice if GL4 itself enables usage of new skills in the GCD rotation.]; bonus points if GL4 becomes a state that can be extended with diminishing returns on that extension. Basically something that must drop off but you influence how quickly.

PLEASE add new skills to spend chakra stacks on so we can gauge our RNG and act accordingly to the situation. TFC is flat and boring and simply necessary to get numbers. There's no decision making there and Deep Meditation is worthless when you have 4 chakras right when a jump phase starts. At that moment, we all realize that we could have been a HW Monk and things wouldn't be any different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEfwJs6f8sw One can wish monks were as badass as this.

Really, just go in the opposite direction, SE. You wanted to slow Monk down, and a lot of players really don't like it and frankly it does go against what Monk has been all about for these past 7 years. Take away the slow crap and make us faster.

You wanted to test the waters and make it slower well why the heck can't you test the waters again and make us faster? And if that STILL doesn't work out then revert us back to the speed we had in 3.x and you know actually figure this freaking class out.

Since I'm, like most mnk mains it seems, pretty disappointed with the monk changes in stormblood I'll just leave my 2 cents here.

I was expecting gl4 in this expansion since it felt like the natural progression of the class (instead of making it slower lmao), be it via a buff like having a fourth stack for x seconds or just having the max increased, I don't care. What we have now is just garbage. Yoshida even mentioned in live letter 37 that they considered it but scrapped it because of the disparity it would create between good and bad monks; I'm assuming that's because losing gl4 would be a insane dps loss and bad monks tend to lose gl4 more. But couldn't that have been fixed by reducing perfect balance CD so losing gl4 wouldn't be as punishing? The anything would be better than what we got(rng on top of rng when the class had none before+slowdown on a class which identify is hitting fast/moving constantly).

Moreover since monk was even part of the trailer I thought they would give us some much needed love and fix the long standing issues monk had, namely:arm of the destroyer/one im punch and fist stances which are obsolete since you're always in fof, only situation I used foe was when I died in a raid, but since the new weakness doesn't lower vitamin anymore that's not necessary (and fow in towns lmao). Instead of fixing all the useless skills mnk already has they added 2, 1 being tk which was already incredibly niche but now with roe has no use whatsoever (except for transitions where the boss doesn't do dmg like Lakshmi) and purification which you also barely used but not anymore since it's practically impossible to run out of tp now. Tornado kick could still be made useful if they reduced perfect balance cd and increased tk dmg I guess.

That's all I can think of right now and sorry for formating I'm on phone

I am all for changing RoF into a temporary GL4. Everything about RoF feels wrong on a MNK; all that hard work to build and maintain GL, just to see it traded off for an attack buff. I do have a few other suggestions as well to help MNK out.

For starters, Riddle of Earth needs to be reworked to provide the extra mitigation upon activation instead of on being hit. The mitigation buff is completely worthless AFTER taking substantial damage and since the majority of players would immediately reapply FoF after the hit is over, it sees no real use either. The GL refresh has situational use but at the same time it encourages bad play habits by making players WANT to be damage to maintain their buff and that's not a good habit to enforce on any class, much less a DPS. If anything, I would like this to double the max duration of GL upon activation, instead of when damage was taken. It would serve the same function without the negative effect of encouraging taking needless damage.

Add Riddle of Wind and let it grant a slight SkS/SpS buff for the team close to the MNK at activation.

One Ilm Punch and Arm of the Destroyer need so many improvements it's not even funny. Situational effects are terrible enough as is but to add to this is the problem that these effect can only occur during very specific moments in our rotation (correct form) and they become borderline useless. Remove the stun and silence from each of these skills. Up the potency of AotD so that it's just a flat out damaging AoE that is actually useful and add a DoT to One Ilm Punch to make it actually worth using and keeping up (reduce the TP cost as well since it shouldn't be needed now that the skill is going to be included in a standard rotation instead of a situational one).

Purification should be altered to provide 100 TP per chakra. While MNK isn't TP starved anymore, with my suggested changes for One Ilm Punch, it might not be a bad idea to maintain the TP restore of this skill, just as a precaution.

Brotherhood is probably the only decent skill MNK got in SB and it's still pretty lack luster. Honestly, I'd be fine if the 5% buff also applied to the MNK as well as the rest of the group, and not just Physical DPS so that it helps out a lot more instead of being sort of a selfish buff only used to try and get more Chakra procs.

Tackle Mastery. Delete it. It's a pointless trait that should have never been conceived in the 1st place. I'd honestly take a CD reduction passive whenever a Riddle is activated over what Tackle mastery currently offers even if it was still a terrible passive but at least it would be more practical than what it currently is. I mean honestly, a knockback? On a Gap Closer? On a Class without a single ranged attack whatsoever?

Here's how you add functionality to Fist stances.

Fist of Earth
Earth Tackle - Front Cone AoE. Potency 100
Steel Peak - Stun. Potency 125
Tornado Kick - Apply Vulnerability down for 5 seconds. Potency 300

Fist of Wind
Wind Tackle - Grants Haste buff to MNK but loses stun. Potency 130
Steel Peak - Silence. Potency 150
Tornado Kick - Nullify all action directional requirements for 10 seconds. Potency 330

Fist of Fire
Fire Tackle - Potency 150
Steel Peak - DoT. Potency 30, duration 20 seconds.
Tornado Kick - Potency 400

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Originally Posted by Chill_Ghost

Remove Arm of the Destroyer

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nooo i mean its low potency it should been increased consider tp cost. but it does its job alot. So many time i saved the tank by silence aoe bloody mage monsters when they pull few pack mobs.

The biggest issue I see with speeding up GCD even more is the oGCD clipping. Coming from a MCH, I'm already having issues with my latency since I'm unable to fit all of my GCD and oGCDs into wildfire, and I'd imagine it'd be just as bad with MNK (or worse since it lasts for more than 3 weapon skills).

If GL4 was the baseline instead of a buff, it'd create both a longer wind-up and a larger dps drop when it's lost, cooldowns or not.

Monk does have his fair share of problems. While it is in a okay spot damage wise it is not as fun as it should be. leveling it was a task. While other classes get something fun we got what? Riddle of Earth which may safe your stacks if the boss allows it. Tackle WHATary? Oh come on. Then we get Riddle of Fire which goes against the very concept of Monk. Yes it is a vast damage increase but it is not fun to use. Then finally we get Brotherhood. After getting some bad luck streaks one may start hating that skill.

Here some beer powered suggestions:
1. Rework Riddle of Fire so it does not slow you down --> fun increase. Nerf damage if you must.
2. Rework Fists into passive traits. FoF can be passive 5%, FoW can be 10% movement speed when not auto attacking and FoE can be worked into Riddle of earth.
3. A trait to auto generate chakra when not in Combat. While other classes can grab their beer in combat breaks the monk is full busy. Even without hitting Chakra 5 times you have a lot of form shit to do.
4. Steel Peak. delete, increase potency or let it give a guaranteed chakra stack.
5. Bring Touch of death back. Weak ass OGC Dot with 1 minute duration and 55 seconds Cooldown. It gets stronger with every successful reapply.
6. Fists of Wind: Allows you to use GL 4 but you wont be able to refresh GL until it drops off. replaces Tornado Kick.
7. Tornado Kick: Rework it into our AoE Chakra spender!
8. Perfect Balance. Lower Cool down so GL4 can be used more.
9. Riddle of Earth: Why not make it freeze the GL Timer for XX seconds instead of just a chance the boss is designed in a way that allow us to keep stacks.
10. Brotherhood. Should work with mages. Also give every job a action to grant us a guaranteed chakra stack, foul at BLM for example.
11. Forbidden Chakra: No more 5 Seconds CD please.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Really, just go in the opposite direction, SE. You wanted to slow Monk down, and a lot of players really don't like it and frankly it does go against what Monk has been all about for these past 7 years. Take away the slow crap and make us faster.

You wanted to test the waters and make it slower well why the heck can't you test the waters again and make us faster? And if that STILL doesn't work out then revert us back to the speed we had in 3.x and you know actually figure this freaking class out.

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Game hasn't been out for 7 years. The original FFXIV (1.0) was pure trash and absolutely does not count as most people who play FFXIV now never had the displeasure of playing it.

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Originally Posted by JinRoSul

Game hasn't been out for 7 years. The original FFXIV (1.0) was pure trash and absolutely does not count as most people who play FFXIV now never had the displeasure of playing it.

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Game mechanics are very different between 1.0 and 2.0. And pretty sure most people who play this name now isnt 1.0 veterans. To most people this game is only 4 years old.