SCH & AST MP management issue suggestions

I love AST. It has been my main since it was released and up until 4.0 I NEVER had an issue with maintaining MP, but since 4.0 it has been a major adjustment period. I feel like I am unable to enjoy AST like I used to because I'm constantly staring at my mp bar and praying for a ewer (which btw I hate using on myself).

I feel like I can't DPS as much as I could before because the rate of MP refresh time seems to have been cut in half, and I really hate not being able to DPS as much. Also, using my cards now, I feel like every ewer I pull has to go toward helping me with MP rather than helping me set up other card combos for my parties.

I feel like an easy solution for not only AST's issue, but SCH as well would be to adjust Lucid Dreaming by either lowering the cool down time or raising the potency or duration time.

I miss not having to worry about my mp.

I find with astro, when you know you're going to need more mp, is to save celestial opposition for use with lucid dreaming, so you get 10 mp ticks from it instead of 7. For optimal efficiency, try to use these right after you play a card, to squeeze 10s more out of it. (either ewer on yourself for alot of mp recovery, or balance/arrow on the group, to give everyone 40s of it)

Since I started doing that, I've found that my mp problems on astro are pretty rare.

In light parties,

are you mainsecting Diurnal, extending Luminiferous Aether with Opposition, and converting your Spires to Minor Arcana for potential free heals?

Despite the huge buff to Nocturnal Sect, Diurnal is still mathematically superior. And even with the reduced duration on Dreaming (which is only one tick less than Luminiferous Aether had), there's still enough MP to spam Gravity two pulls in a row. And if you get low, don't balk at the idea of Ewering yourself when it arises; you shouldn't be burning cards for AoE in a light party anyway.



In full parties, I only have to keep a close eye on my MP when people aren't mechanicsing, and that's normal during the first few weeks in new content, as people are getting used to everything. It's maybe just a little bit worse than before because people are also getting used to major changes in their jobs, but any MP problems I've had have been side effects of problems party problems, and not properly AST problems.

Use lightspeed more often, try to use opposition when you have lucid dreaming on and you won't have any mp problem. Even now AST mana sustainability is extremely good and way better than SCH, so you can't just buff LD, it would just make AST into a mana battery while SCH issues would remain unsolved.

Your MP shortage probably comes from Aspected Benefic (Diurnal).

Spamming Benefic is less MP Consuming than using Aspected Benefic.

TBH i thought this was a troll thread when you complain about AST mp regen and put it together with SCH :P But if you are serious, the other already answered :D AST doesn't need buff in that department. SCH though...

If we're talking about healing only, never needed MP. Lightspeed to heal only is lame, but at least we have something that helps with MP.

When I try to dps, I need a lot of MP top spam Gravity... But that's when all the tips above come to play.

AST has pros that other healers don't have: We can extend
-Largesse, so our heals will be stronger and we save MP in the proccess...
-Lucid Dreaming, so we'll regen more MP... (If we get to extend LD+Ewer, we're golden, let the DPS die, 'cause you can Gravity every mob by yourself...)
-I didn't test yet, but we probably can extend Eye for an Eye, can't we? More mitigation also means less healing... :)
-And Synastry - even if it lost the boost to healing - is still a plus. If you put it on the tank and heal him, it will work like a 20% heal buff, I use it more often than Largesse (It's almost like we had a fairie...)

So focus on optimize your Celestial Oposition when you're dpsing, you sure will love it...

Funny how WHM was allowed to have shit MP management to the point it was dependendant on BRD some times and told to git gud and just live with it for four years, but Twelve beware if somebody else has even a tiny little bit of trouble managing theirs...

I'm going to agree with those that said Lucid + Opposition is enough to get you by (bonus if you have an extended/enhanced Ewer on yourself). I'm curious as to what content you're healing as well. I'll admit that from 60-70, it was tough. I was consistently having mp problems until I broke from my HW mentality of tossing Essential Dignity on the tank every CD cycle and then dpsing for 90% of the fight. Once you're properly geared, most of your mp problems should subside considering how much Piety is loaded onto the 310/320 gear.

I've healed Delta 4.0 and the two Ex Primals without issue as long as the DPS isn't taking unnecessary dmg. Ask your ranged DPS to slot Refresh or Mana Shift if you need the help, though I usually prefer they save it if I get myself killed and need a post-rez boost. I always seem to die mere seconds after using Lucid. -_-

Hmm, I have yet to have a single MP issue in SB?
Sure, Adlo is more expensive, and fairy heals a bit less, and mana managedment moved around, but I can heal all out and DPS, and I am not even close to mana problems as a SCH.
What do other people do that I dont?
If I spam Adlo and Succer as every other spell, I will probably have mana problem.

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Originally Posted by Sodamachine

Hmm, I have yet to have a single MP issue in SB?
Sure, Adlo is more expensive, and fairy heals a bit less, and mana managedment moved around, but I can heal all out and DPS, and I am not even close to mana problems as a SCH.
What do other people do that I dont?
If I spam Adlo and Succer as every other spell, I will probably have mana problem.

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TBH the only time the MP problems really pop up on SCH is when you're doing the raids. Outside of them, it doesn't ever really pop up.

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Originally Posted by Rayna

I feel like I can't DPS as much as I could before because the rate of MP refresh time seems to have been cut in half, and I really hate not being able to DPS as much. Also, using my cards now, I feel like every ewer I pull has to go toward helping me with MP rather than helping me set up other card combos for my parties.

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It will always feel like that at the beginning of an expansion. We are at our lowest capability at the moment.

As item level goes up as the expansion goes further we will get higher piety numbers on gear, but our MP costs will stay the same.

I have no current issues managing MP on AST. As others have said there is many things AST can do to remedy low MP and while some of it is RNG...some of it is just getting used to the tools you have available. (Ewer + Lucid Dreaming + Celestial Opposition; using Collective Unconscious to heal people up since it costs no MP; Earthly Star also no MP; Lady of Crowns no MP; Lightspeed reduces MP cost and can also be Celestial Oppositioned; using Spear to lower your recast of Lucid Dreaming)

Running out of MP is also a situational problem depending on the group you get. If you have a group failing mechanics or tanks not using cooldowns MP management issues is a side effect of other players in your group not playing correctly and not due to AST's MP management being improperly balanced.

As for SCH I haven't leveled it yet so no comment.

SCH has MP issues? Im not understanding it at all. I can DPS/Heal Primal EX and not have any issues on SCH.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Funny how WHM was allowed to have shit MP management to the point it was dependendant on BRD some times and told to git gud and just live with it for four years, but Twelve beware if somebody else has even a tiny little bit of trouble managing theirs...

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God forbid an Astrologian has an issue... all the saltblocks come out and play!

Astro MP isn't even that bad. When I heal I use AST and all I can do is shake my head at all these AST who complain or ask for "fixes" all the time. It just seems like they want AST to be the only healer in the game.

@OP what level are you at on AST?

I found that with the MP inflation on spells leveling to 70 that MP management seemed more difficult until you get enough piety for 17-18k MP then it returns to normal.

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Astro MP isn't even that bad. When I heal I use AST and all I can do is shake my head at all these AST who complain or ask for "fixes" all the time. It just seems like they want AST to be the only healer in the game.

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ffs, we're not saying that other classes don't have things to be reworked. We're not saying to prioritize our needs above those of White Mage or Scholar, get off the Halite (google it) train and allow others to have a voice.

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

God forbid an Astrologian has an issue... all the saltblocks come out and play!

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It was ASTs, among others, who told WHM to git gud with MP. It was ASTs who cried and cried and cried until they were overbuffed, even though it was blattantly clear they are already very strong, and continue to cry for more improvements until today despite being so op it's not even funny anymore. It was also ASTs who looked down on WHM telling us we got what we deserved for being objectively better than them in early 3.0 after said overbuffing happened, or rather, even before that point. It was ASTs who told me to switch jobs in 3.x because 'WHM is dead'. So sorry we got enough of your whining for even MORE buffs on a class everyone, even sensible ASTs, agree is disgustingly overbuffed, while STILL being told by many to stfu ourselves. Except that sorry, most definitely NOT sorry.

You're right. We're crying. Look at our numerous posts about how Astros should be buffed. Count them. Please, count them... I want to know how many people are asking for buffs, right now, on Astros. Let's see if you can see the difference between QoL changes and buffs. Even with QoL changes, there's two big ones that we're asking for, neither of which could be described as a buff. I don't think White Mage is dead now, so I certainly am not going to look down on anyone. The whole point I was trying to make -- which you clearly missed -- was that people have concerns and they're voicing them. Perhaps it's just an issue of not using a particular ability at an opportune moment. For people like you to interject and stifle the voices of those people is incredibly rude and pathetic. This idea of "you're OP, you have no room to talk" is a cop-out argument because you're frustrated that you aren't getting what you want.

Yeah they raise mp cost for Aspected Benefic, almost doubled so we cannot spam it like before. Use more Benefic and guaranteed critical benefic II will help you ease the burden a lot.
Now I only use aspected benefic on main tank in most cases, to use them on dps is only happening in life matters situation.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

It was ASTs, among others, who told WHM to git gud with MP. It was ASTs who cried and cried and cried until they were overbuffed, even though it was blattantly clear they are already very strong, and continue to cry for more improvements until today despite being so op it's not even funny anymore. It was also ASTs who looked down on WHM telling us we got what we deserved for being objectively better than them in early 3.0 after said overbuffing happened, or rather, even before that point. It was ASTs who told me to switch jobs in 3.x because 'WHM is dead'. So sorry we got enough of your whining for even MORE buffs on a class everyone, even sensible ASTs, agree is disgustingly overbuffed, while STILL being told by many to stfu ourselves. Except that sorry, most definitely NOT sorry.

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So you're going to treat all ASTs badly for the actions of a few vocal rude people? :/

Seems a bit too far with the eye for eye thing...

You are letting trolls win since you are actively trolling others since you were trolled. All those things you mention in this post....those people trolled you and they would always troll you if they get the opportunity even if they never even leveled AST because that is what trolls do. The job they are or say they are is irrelevant.

I mean...this is pure prejudice. You are treating all AST's like they were the ones who trolled you when that is far from the truth.

Just because some AST's maybe went into WHM threads and trolled you doesn't mean you should do it back...supposed to rise above that sort of behavior, but since some people cannot ignore it we just end up spreading the hate around and trying to get back at innocent people for what a troll did to us.

I mean OP posted something that they were having trouble with; they wanted help and discussion because they 'thought' there was an issue and many people have offered some tips to help them manage their MP....yet you come in and basically troll an innocent post just because other trolls trolled you :/

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Originally Posted by IanFrench

Use more Benefic and guaranteed critical benefic II will help you ease the burden a lot.
Now I only use aspected benefic on main tank in most cases, to use them on dps is only happening in life matters situation.

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This.

Also, I'll use A. Benefict if I'm on the move and need to mitigate mid-stride. Otherwise, I don't use it that often. In dungeons, specifically, I'll use Celestial Opposition while having Lucid Dreaming up -- especially if I know I'm about to spam heal someone (or a group of someones). Benefic I and Benefic II are my staple heals. I hardly ever leave Noct. Sect either -- I raid with a White Mage, so I'm familiar with what my Astro is capable of in Nocturnal Sect. I'd recommend staying Nocturnal Sect for most situations. You have stronger single target heals while being able to use shields when necessary. Don't be afraid to use the Ewer on yourself either. That's what it's there for...

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

You're right. We're crying. Look at our numerous posts about how Astros should be buffed. Count them. Please, count them... I want to know how many people are asking for buffs, right now, on Astros. Let's see if you can see the difference between QoL changes and buffs. Even with QoL changes, there's two big ones that we're asking for, neither of which could be described as a buff. I don't think White Mage is dead now, so I certainly am not going to look down on anyone. The whole point I was trying to make -- which you clearly missed -- was that people have concerns and they're voicing them. Perhaps it's just an issue of not using a particular ability at an opportune moment. For people like you to interject and stifle the voices of those people is incredibly rude and pathetic. This idea of "you're OP, you have no room to talk" is a cop-out argument because you're frustrated that you aren't getting what you want.

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Originally Posted by Rayna

I love AST. It has been my main since it was released and up until 4.0 I NEVER had an issue with maintaining MP, but since 4.0 it has been a major adjustment period. I feel like I am unable to enjoy AST like I used to because I'm constantly staring at my mp bar and praying for a ewer (which btw I hate using on myself).

I feel like I can't DPS as much as I could before because the rate of MP refresh time seems to have been cut in half, and I really hate not being able to DPS as much. Also, using my cards now, I feel like every ewer I pull has to go toward helping me with MP rather than helping me set up other card combos for my parties.

I feel like an easy solution for not only AST's issue, but SCH as well would be to adjust Lucid Dreaming by either lowering the cool down time or raising the potency or duration time.

I miss not having to worry about my mp.

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Didn't take me very long to find one. Too lazy and tired to search much further, but if you want another example, this thread not only asks for some QoL adjustments to the job, but also for things like upping the damage on Earthly Star (LOL...) and to the Spear.
Also, nice you are talking about yourself. But I doubt you are the only AST out there.
And yeah, maybe it wasn't really great to do that, and I'm aware I didn't contribute anything meaningful to the conversation. Normally I would have rolled my eyes and walked away. But I'm having a really bad day, the constant whining is getting on my nerves big time, and I honestly don't care about staying civil with people whining about how bad the most op healer has it anymore. I'm also fed up by SCH crying while at the same time telling me I'm fine while feeling like sitting in a sinking boat, with sharks circling around me, whenever I look at what the other healers got and will get (SCH buffs in 4.1).
But, you know. You aren't exactly better with how YOU, too, jump at people's (and I don't even mean myself) throats, and your argumentation, in other threads.

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Originally Posted by Miste

So you're going to treat all ASTs badly for the actions of a few vocal rude people? :/

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I mean OP posted something that they were having trouble with; they wanted help and discussion because they 'thought' there was an issue and many people have offered some tips to help them manage their MP....yet you come in and basically troll an innocent post just because other trolls trolled you :/

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No, but I'm sure as hell calling people out for their bs. It also wasn't a few trolls, but half this board plus people outside of it. And OP didn't want help. They wanted a straight up buff without needing a buff, as quoted and marked above. Coupled with 'it's so bad now that we aren't having invinite MP now anymore'.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

But I'm having a really bad day, the constant whining is getting on my nerves big time, and I honestly don't care about staying civil with people whining about how bad the most op healer has it anymore.

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You probably should take a step back and not post in or visit the forums for awhile then if you don't want to try to be civil and just in a bad mood so you troll others.

You basically are saying "no one else is allowed to have an opinion because this job is OP so I am going to troll/rage at them whenever I see someone post something about that job that I don't want to see"

That is the worst mentality and the forum doesn't need more of that.

OP asked for a buff technically yes...but it was because they were misinformed and have yet to master AST's toolkit. You can't just condemn them because they are less experienced and talked about AST and something they personally were having trouble with and 'thought' due to their PERSONAL experiences that there was an issue.

Many people have corrected OP and laid out some tips to help them manage MP; that should have been most of the post solved. Minus SCH thing...which others have said is more of an issue, but I haven't leveled it yet.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

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With regards to the quote: Someone who hasn't grasped an MP conservation priority system is calling for an increase to Lucid Dreaming. I will concede that this person is calling for a change, but they're calling for it for the wrong reason. They're clearly not familiar with the tools the Astro already has to regain mana. For the purpose of not arguing, we can call this buff. For all intents and purposes, it is -- however, I read this as more of a cry for help on their MP situation. That's common, but yeah, you found one.

With regards to the link: The OP was asking for mostly QoL changes to Earthly Star and Undraw. S/he EVEN mentioned nerfing Balance. A rework on Spear is something we've been asking for forever...the fact that we're asking for it now changes nothing. It's a standing issue that we'll never see changed. Not sure where you're seeing the damage to Earthly Star. I know there was a post where someone was asking if the damage was nerfed. I may not have read down far enough.

Sure, the posts exist. I never said they wouldn't. I said to count them. You make it sound like people are littering the forums begging for a class overhaul. Most of the people who are "asking" for things are doing so because they're not entirely educated on how their own mechanics work. The following they get is usually people of like-mind. If you continue to read, there's typically someone who mains an Astro that is correcting them, or advising as necessary.

How have I jumped at people's throats? I chime in to defend Astros or people voicing their opinions on Astros. In case you haven't noticed, if someone breathes a word about Astrologians on the forums, and it's not prefaced with -- or followed by -- nerf, they get lit up like a Christmas tree.

I'm sorry you're having a rough day -- truly I am. This is a game and it's meant to be fun. You say the constant whining is getting on your nerves. My response to that is: who's whining? Someone has an issue with Astrologian, so they consult the forums...then people like you ignite them with rude, degrading comments about how OP Astro is. You -- specifically -- are generally one of the first few people to spew poison on a post about Astrologians. You're tired of Scholars crying? They have more right to cry than White Mages. Of all the healing classes, their voices should be heard above all else. And it was, hence the upcoming changes. I'm curious at this point, what is it YOU want for White Mages? What would make you happy with your own class? Everyone on the forums already knows what you want from the other classes, but you've offered little-to-no constructive criticism for the White Mage.

I admit I misread that second threat; it wasn't the OP, but the person below mentioning damage buff to Earthly Star. However, it doesn't really make much difference to me who asks. It was still an ask for a straight out buff.

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

ffs, we're not saying that other classes don't have things to be reworked. We're not saying to prioritize our needs above those of White Mage or Scholar, get off the Halite (google it) train and allow others to have a voice.

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This is a pretty rude way to tell someone to shut up. A person who just said they can't understand how someone can have MP issues on AST, and plays the class themselves. Also, a simple forum search would be enough most of the time to get advice, no need to make a new topic that focuses on demanding buffs where buffs aren't due.


I also mentioned in a different thread that SCH is already considered meta in practically any Discord discussion, for example, I read about this topic. Not a single mention of WHM in that regard. Mind telling me how they have more of a right to complain than WHM, who, if previous raid tiers are any indication, steers toward a rough time again, especially in the light of incomming SCH buffs? And btw, I asked someone searching for a SCH for their static earlier if they would take a WHM, too. I got declined. Make of that what you want.

Also... I never made any suggestions or mentions about what I want for my job? What? Go look in the 'Consolidated WHM feedback thread', please. I said in there what I would like for the class multiple times, discussed opinions and suggestions others had, etc. I mentioned agreement about what I think they should change about the Lily system in the 'Healer adjustments'-thread just today. If you can't find my opinion about what WHM needs, you aren't looking out much for it.

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Originally Posted by Yuyuka3

Also... I never made any suggestions or mentions about what I want for my job? What? Go look in the 'Consolidated WHM feedback thread', please. I said in there what I would like for the class multiple times, discussed opinions and suggestions others had, etc. I mentioned agreement about what I think they should change about the Lily system in the 'Healer adjustments'-thread just today. If you can't find my opinion about what WHM needs, you aren't looking out much for it.

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I guess that's because whenever our paths cross, it's typically on threads about Astros (with one exception). It's like you go onto the thread with the intent of toxicity. You're right, I haven't gone on to the Consolidated WHM thread, because I don't play a White Mage as a main. I have no feedback to offer that would benefit their job. So rather than going onto their threads and leak venom, I stay within my domain -- a place where I can offer valuable input. [though sadly, all I've managed to do today is argue with you across various forum threads]

How was that a rude way to tell someone to shut up? I didn't even TELL you to shut up. I told you to allow someone else to have a voice. I told you that they should be allow to voice their concerns as well. Your response to their post was anything but cordial, so let's not pretend it was.

Side note: Halite is Salt. I was telling you to get off the salt train... in other words, stop being salty about Astros on a thread where someone is seeking advice.

With regards to Scholar being meta: I don't peruse the Discords because defending Astros on one forum is taxing enough. I have never -- not one time -- on my server seen a Scholar prioritized over a White Mage. The preferred healing group I keep hearing about is White Mage and Astrologian. With only two healing spots available in raids, one of the three has to get left out. So terribly sorry that Scholar is preferred over White Mages in your areas of travel, but it's something I can not validate, because it's something I have never seen.

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

I guess that's because whenever our paths cross, it's typically on threads about Astros (with one exception). It's like you go onto the thread with the intent of toxicity. You're right, I haven't gone on to the Consolidated WHM thread, because I don't play a White Mage as a main. I have no feedback to offer that would benefit their job. So rather than going onto their threads and leak venom, I stay within my domain -- a place where I can offer valuable input. [though sadly, all I've managed to do today is argue with you across various forum threads]

How was that a rude way to tell someone to shut up? I didn't even TELL you to shut up. I told you to allow someone else to have a voice. I told you that they should be allow to voice their concerns as well. Your response to their post was anything but cordial, so let's not pretend it was.

Side note: Halite is Salt. I was telling you to get off the salt train... in other words, stop being salty about Astros on a thread where someone is seeking advice.

With regards to Scholar being meta: I don't peruse the Discords because defending Astros on one forum is taxing enough. I have never -- not one time -- on my server seen a Scholar prioritized over a White Mage. The preferred healing group I keep hearing about is White Mage and Astrologian. With only two healing spots available in raids, one of the three has to get left out. So terribly sorry that Scholar is preferred over White Mages in your areas of travel, but it's something I can not validate, because it's something I have never seen.

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I've literally never seen you before today... and you act as if I posted here for the first time today, too. Also, do you really feel a need to white knight every AST here? Would think people can fend for themselves. I'm not even the only one who you went up against, so your claim is false.

And yes, starting with ffs (common short from for 'for fu**s sake) IS quite rude toward someone who only said they can't understand why so many struggle with MP. Also, that quote wasn't directed toward me. Sadly, quotes in quoted posts don't get shown on this forum, but what you wrote was directed toward this post:

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Originally Posted by Rivxkobe

Astro MP isn't even that bad. When I heal I use AST and all I can do is shake my head at all these AST who complain or ask for "fixes" all the time. It just seems like they want AST to be the only healer in the game.

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Which, as you can see, is not me. You also don't have to tell me what halite, chemical formula NaCl, commony known as table or rock salt is. I'm a geologist irl, that's right in my ball park. I didn't even ASK what you mean, so why did you feel the need to explain?

And all you hear is AST/WHM? Your server must be paradise, because it's sure as hell not the case over here, nor is it on the dedicated raiding Discord.

I'm not the best AST, but I see our DPS capabilities very much as a nice to have. So I treat it that way when managing MP. I'll stop dps ing around half mana and concentrate on healing and maybe tossing DOTs here and there or throwing cards.

Unlike Holy, Gravity does nothing for mitigation. And based on what seems to be the concensus, our dps is lower than other healers because of our buffs. There's no point in going all out to the point of OoM.

How about git gud? :D

Joking aside, WHM had to deal with managing their MP for all of 2.x and 3.x, so perhaps you should try to learn how to manage your MP? SCH is getting a slight buff, but I don't think AST needs one. They are strong enough as is, and their MP shouldn't be a bottomless pool as a way to gate that power.

In a fight that i know my mp will going down fast (susano ex for example), i have several way to maintain my mp as ast.
- always keep mp card on spread, use it when your mp drop to near 1/2, even better with Potency or duration royal road
- lucid dreaming obviously
- lightspeed, if you think you want to use it, do it. Ast lvl 68 trait give us more leeway on using lightspeed
- largesse can act as mp buffer of sort since bigger heal mean less casting mean less mp
- try not to spam aspected benefic/helios, this spell is one of the reason why ast mp going down so fast now
- dont spam combat spell, dot spell like combust is fine but not malefic and obviously gravity, in a fight where everyone can go from full hp to 1/4 hp in seconds, dont risk it. Remember you are healer.
- i know this sound awful but if 1 dps die, dont just rush swiftcast + res immediately, make sure your mp is enough and everyone else is top off first.

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Originally Posted by Novak_04

ffs, we're not saying that other classes don't have things to be reworked. We're not saying to prioritize our needs above those of White Mage or Scholar, get off the Halite (google it) train and allow others to have a voice.

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Hahahaha.

Damn you mad af.

Chill out and maybe try to act civil.

For one, please don't start a post with "ffs" it just makes me not take you seriously. And don't tell me to google something as if I don't know what you are talking about, it just makes you look like an arrogant ass and just further supports my negative view of fellow ASTs on the forums.

AST DO NOT need help with their MP management. They don't need it at all. I have seen no evidence that they do. Its not an "issue", AST has no issues right now, and is definitely not something that needs to be fixed.

AST has no MP issues even when spamming Gravity. It is literally in a perfect place right now.

Thank you to everyone who suggested some tips for me. I will say that after I hit 70, things really started to level out for me. For the record, I wasn't saying " CHANGE LUCID DREAMING OR GTFO" I was simply suggesting it while I hadn't quite gotten to full level, and for that I apologize. The fault was my own because I'd gotten comfortable with my level 60 AST, but I dealt with it and got thru it.

To be fair though... I ALSO play whm, and I never said whm was terrible or that whm deserved anything less than sch & ast. I understand they had a ton of mp issues, and I'm glad whm is now better set up. Which is why I only said sch and ast for this post.... bc I knew they fixed the whm issue. I feel like all 3 healers are good in their own way.

AST has the best MP sustain in the game by far if you fish for Ewers and Spears, so there is really no problem there. It's MP sustain is actually so good that it can solo heal AoE-heavy stuff like Delta 4.0 without running out of mana, even when the entire party is eating a ton of avoidable damage on top of it.

SCH, on the other hand... now that class needs to major fixing...

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Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki

SCH, on the other hand... now that class needs to major fixing...

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Agreed, but not in MP management. It's nowhere near as good as it used to be but it's also not a hinderance to the job. Both AST/SCH are nowhere near as bad as WHM MP management was in 3.x so it's a simple case of 'git gud'. I genuinely think a lot of SCHs/ASTs are complaining just because they aren't used to that aspect of the job. As someone who played WHM a lot too, I don't have issues keeping MP at a healthy level on both other jobs.

I've had runs where I'm shielding, doing full DPS, ressing the other healer/members and keeping the party going in Susano EX as SCH and am still not completely OOM by the end. It's a simple case of playing efficiently, which I honestly believe was WHMs skill ceiling before.

On the case of WHM, I do think that their MP regen this expansion is a little too strong. But given their past and the fact that they don't excel at much else besides being a potent safety net, I think it's fair to let them keep it.

I had this problem on AST but since melding heaps of Piety materia I am fairly comfortable. I have around 18-19k MP pool now at level 70.

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Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki

AST has the best MP sustain in the game by far if you fish for Ewers and Spears, so there is really no problem there. It's MP sustain is actually so good that it can solo heal AoE-heavy stuff like Delta 4.0 without running out of mana, even when the entire party is eating a ton of avoidable damage on top of it.

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It CAN be good, but that hinges entirely on drawing enough Ewers and by no stretch is that guaranteed.

I don't feel comfortable DPSing on AST in situations where I'm not sure of how much avoidable damage the party is going to be taking. If it's a premade group that knows what it's doing, sure, but things can go south VERY quickly in DF if the people start standing in the bad...