Shake It Off revamp idea

I think I don't have to explain why the current version of this ability is too situational and overall bad, so let's get right to my suggestion.

Shake It Off (<- don't mind the name, I am too lazy to think of something different)

Cast: 0s Recast: 20(/30/60)s

While in Defiance:
-Changes Inner Beast to Fell Cleave and removes any restrictions
-Changes Steel Cyclone to Decimate and removes any restrictions

While in Deliverance:
-Changes Fell Cleave to Inner Beast and removes any restrictions
-Changes Decimate to Steel Cyclone and removes any restrictions

Can only be executed while under the effect of Defiance or Deliverance.

Effect ends once one of the listed moves has been executed.

Duration: 10s

While still situational this skill is far more useful and should give WAR more freedom.

e.g. you are in Deliverance and a tank buster is incoming, yet there is no CD available. At least 50 Beast Gauge stored, so instead of changing your stance, you use this skill to execute Inner Beast.
Boom! -20% dmg recieved for 6 sec and life steal with +5% dmg from Deliverance.

Or you are in Defiance and overflowing with Beast Gauge, yet you know there will be a tank buster soon and you need those HPs. Use it to execute a Fell Cleave for more damage, then proceed filling your Gauge before the tank buster hits and get your Inner Beast ready.

You also will be able to use this while under the effect of Inner Release or Unchained. This skill prevents that you lose those buffs like you would by changing stance.
Running IR/Zerk -> "oh, tank buster inc" -> change 1 FC to IB -> dmg mitigation -> didn't interrupt IR -> everything went better than expected

Pls share your thoughts and criticism :)

Personally, I think this is a great idea and fits warrior well. :)

OK first of all, if we're going to talk about changing it to THAT, then at least make it be called something else! LOL

That said, this actually sounds like a very fun and useful change. Warriors tanking in Defiance would be able to Fell Cleave, even though it would be for reduced damage. I think this is the main thing here. Usually I find myself using Onslaught while tanking, even though it's not that efficient, because my beast gauge goes up so fast with all the Storm's Paths I keep doing, and there's not that much of a benefit to use Inner Beast except as a form of mitigation. This would completely change that, though.

I can already see the problem people will have with this though, saying this will be even more of an incentive for Warriors to go full tank in Deliverance. Which is apparently a bad thing. Healers don't like it. And Square-Enix doesn't seem to like it either, if you analyze what they've done to Warriors. >_>

To be honest though, I'd rather keep Shake It Off and have it actually do what it says - remove detrimental effects, EVEN those not cured by Esuna, such as vulnerability stacks, damage-down debuffs, healing-down debuffs, Paralysis, burn effects, slashing-resist down, etc.

I agree they just nees to make shake it off remove any debuffs on you then its useful

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

OK first of all, if we're going to talk about changing it to THAT, then at least make it be called something else! LOL

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I am bad at finding names thus I didn't even bother changing it :D
Ofc the name should be changed tho.

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I can already see the problem people will have with this though, saying this will be even more of an incentive for Warriors to go full tank in Deliverance. Which is apparently a bad thing. Healers don't like it. And Square-Enix doesn't seem to like it either, if you analyze what they've done to Warriors. >_>

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I get your point. Nevertheless there is a difference what SE wants and what the community/raider want. Ofc SE doesn't want MTs in DPS stance that much we know, yet most ppl don't care and push those "deep numbas".

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To be honest though, I'd rather keep Shake It Off and have it actually do what it says - remove detrimental effects, EVEN those not cured by Esuna, such as vulnerability stacks, damage-down debuffs, healing-down debuffs, Paralysis, burn effects, slashing-resist down, etc.

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I feel ya. Still I don't see this happening 'cause that would mean WARs could ignore mechanics.

Well, remember tempered will? shake it off feels just like that, situational, useless in boss fight, a waste of hotbar slot.... and you know what? Paladin has it since 2.0 and it's still there with same effect XD......

Well, you can use it in Sophia (EX) for cheesing those meteor pushs, just like with Holmgang and now with Inner Release, (unsync) too. :D

Or her Wind III knockback!... Sophia seems like an exception...

I think it's a pretty cool idea to grant temporarily access to your other stance tool kits. Make it affect Unchained/IR as well and extend the duration to 20s that way we could still do our 6FC burst.
They'd have to make it a completely new skill though because the name just doesn't fit anymore.
Good suggestion, bravo

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Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

I feel ya. Still I don't see this happening 'cause that would mean WARs could ignore mechanics.

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I'm not asking for everything to get removed. ESPECIALLY not mechanic-wise abilities. Though honestly, if Paladins can Hallowed Ground Stormsplitter and skip a tank swap, I really don't think having Warriors remove the slashing debuff and eliminate ALL the tank swaps would be that big of a deal.

In any case, I think some things should stick, even if you use Shake It Off. Things like Titan's/Ifrit's stacks, which cause you to take more damage from their attacks. The mechanic that forces you to swap in A5S too, for example. And the stun you get from Zurvan's Demon's Claw. Also OBVIOUSLY you shouldn't be able to use Shake It Off to move during A12's Temporal Stasis. That would be silly.

But the things that should get removed? Let's say you're doing Zurvan. Your team messes up the seals. Everyone ends up getting vulnerability stacks! Difference is you can get rid of yours. Same with Wave Cannon's bleed. Or you're doing Sophia and your partner failed to come to you during Sin and Punishment. Healing-down debuff? No problem!

Some people might think that would be overpowered. But this is a level 68 ability that is getting used in old content. OF COURSE it's going to be broken! If another tank is able to infinitely heal through all the damage and just get their MP back, I really don't see how being able to remove a bunch of debuffs and potentially skip/ignore certain mechanics would be a problem.

With what they did with Warrior and their stance-swapping playstyle, I would actually make Shake It Off remove EVERYTHING! EVEN the stun from Demon's Claw! Though still not Temporal Stasis. Maybe that would at least make Warrior exciting. Like yeah, you have ZERO raid utility, you don't deal the highest of damages, and your rotations/abilities are clunky as hell... but **** YEAH you are able to get off like a badass! ;(

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Originally Posted by Shinkyo

They'd have to make it a completely new skill though because the name just doesn't fit anymore.

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I changed OP a bit, explaining why I didn't change that name ;)

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Good suggestion, bravo

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Big thanks!

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Though honestly, if Paladins can Hallowed Ground Stormsplitter and skip a tank swap, I really don't think having Warriors remove the slashing debuff and eliminate ALL the tank swaps would be that big of a deal.

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I also think it's strange that Hallowed Ground ignores Susanos slashing debuff... might be a mistake from dev team. I wouldn't pay to much attention here.

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Maybe that would at least make Warrior exciting. Like yeah, you have ZERO raid utility, you don't deal the highest of damages, and your rotations/abilities are clunky as hell... but **** YEAH you are able to get off like a badass! ;(

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Imo I would like to have WAR do ~10% more dmg than any other tank and let it have 0 utility. Just like SAM (old Monk) to other DPS jobs, more dmg, but no utility. WARs rotation is fun, yet not rewarding when you watch those dmg numbers.

For me, it's either remove it completely and add a team utility like Team HP buff or damage buff.

Or make it remove all cleansable effects like blind and heavy and a set amount of un-ensunable moves like stun or petrify

So for instance if the petrify lasts for 12 seconds, it halves it to only six.

I'd like Shake it Off as utility and sustain.

Something like:

WAR and nearby allies gain the status buff 'Shake it Off.'

Shake it Off status buff: Ignore in-combat penalty to native HP/MP/TP regen. 6-12 seconds duration

Something like that, works as utility and self-sustain.

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Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

I think I don't have to explain why the current version of this ability is too situational and overall bad, so let's get right to my suggestion.

Shake It Off (<- don't mind the name, I am too lazy to think of something different)

[I]Cast: 0s Recast: 20(/30/60)s

While in Defiance:
-Changes Inner Beast to Fell Cleave and removes any restrictions
-Changes Steel Cyclone to Decimate and removes any restrictions

While in Deliverance:
-Changes Fell Cleave to Inner Beast and removes any restrictions
-Changes Decimate to Steel Cyclone and removes any restrictions

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This is by far the best idea i have hear for a change to shake it off. Like .iles ahead of other suggestions. Yes pls give me tbis.

Ok probably people will think I'm retarded or throw a lot of salt, but another idea for shake it off it would be like a CD where for X amount of seconds all your beast gauge abilities goes for free.
That would help with the factor of having to wait the planet align so you can make your 6 memecleaves.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Also OBVIOUSLY you shouldn't be able to use Shake It Off to move during A12's Temporal Stasis.

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Have you ever been so angry that you UNSTOPPED TIME?!

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Originally Posted by Takamorisan

Ok probably people will think I'm retarded or throw a lot of salt, but another idea for shake it off it would be like a CD where for X amount of seconds all your beast gauge abilities goes for free.
That would help with the factor of having to wait the planet align so you can make your 6 memecleaves.

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Nope not retarded at all, a similarly genius idea. Shit we are like the white mage of tanks without the added dps right now so give us a thin air type effect. I like it.

I'd actually like to see something like Shake it Off's purification, but done as a trait, like so:

For every Gauge spent, you gain a 1% reduction to the duration of status effect against you, fading over 5 seconds.

Double Fell Cleave / Inner Beast -> 90% reduction to status effects against you. Toss in an oGCD, and you're at 100% reduction / complete immunity for 2 seconds.

It's a good idea, provided the stance change penalty is here to stay.

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Originally Posted by Quor

Have you ever been so angry that you UNSTOPPED TIME?!

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Time is def going to get reversed if next patch doesn't talk about future discussions about WAR/some good changes right then and there.