Nerf this nerf that, etc etc

Instead of asking for nerf, why can't players simply help each other for those who needs a little bit push. I'm not talking about being top 1337 player, simply just being decent. Way too many people/players doesn't help and I can understand why. We see it everywhere, where attitude of not even bothering is there and players and by players, I mean very many players often say it's fine to slack.
If you are willing to improve as a player, ask the players with good experience, seek for info you lack and you will improve the long way. In fact you will mostlikely have more fun too and realize that doing good will get you far in the game and will put you in a good standar, which makes you more appealing to other good players, which means you will end up doing more farming and beat harder content on a far faster phase.

So please ask for help and don't look at silly people who spam medica 2, no regen, tanks doing aggro combo only etc.

More often than not when you try to help someone all you get back is "don't tell me how to play", "you don't pay my sub" or some variation of the two. People don't like unsolicited help no matter how much you sugarcoat that help.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

More often than not when you try to help someone all you get back is "don't tell me how to play", "you don't pay my sub" or some variation of the two.

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Out of all the people i've helped only a very small number has ever given an attitude..maybe I am just lucky.

You got holes on both sides. People who don't want input on better play, then the other side that want to cram their perception of better play down your throat in a not so nice way.

That be then nature of a cross server duty finder. The alternative? Back to seeking for half a day or more for groups.

I love and hate the duty finder.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

"you don't pay my sub"

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That's a meme at this point.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

More often than not when you try to help someone all you get back is "don't tell me how to play", "you don't pay my sub" or some variation of the two. People don't like unsolicited help no matter how much you sugarcoat that help.

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Out of all the people i've helped only a very small number has ever given an attitude..maybe I am just lucky.

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It also depends on how you are saying it. If it comes out like a command, I can see people taking offence. If you say it as a "Hey, I noticed this, if you try using XYZ you might be able to get higher DPS/hold agro better/have an easier time healing" you will usually get better responses...usually.

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NERF IT ALL MUWAHAHAHA!

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Instead of asking for nerf, why can't players simply help each other for those who needs a little bit push.

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SE needs to take the lead with this, not the players. When they pull crap like the Stormblood storyline ending battles - with the final dungeons all being about normal levels of difficulty, followed by a huge difficulty spike in the final Trial - it places too much of a burden on the playerbase. It's not hard for players to help each other out when a dungeon is marginally more difficult than the one before it. It is much harder when content goes from walkover to difficult.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

SE needs to take the lead with this, not the players. When they pull crap like the Stormblood storyline ending battles - with the final dungeons all being about normal levels of difficulty, followed by a huge difficulty spike in the final Trial - it places too much of a burden on the playerbase. It's not hard for players to help each other out when a dungeon is marginally more difficult than the one before it. It is much harder when content goes from walkover to difficult.

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Everyone that's done the ARR MSQ has seen almost every ability Shinryu has. The majority of the fight's difficulty just comes from whether or not you're paying attention.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

More often than not when you try to help someone all you get back is "don't tell me how to play", "you don't pay my sub" or some variation of the two. People don't like unsolicited help no matter how much you sugarcoat that help.

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If they accept the help, that's good.

If they get pissy, you can smirk at how you lowkey called them terrible.

I'm not seeing a downside, here...

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

SE needs to take the lead with this, not the players. When they pull crap like the Stormblood storyline ending battles - with the final dungeons all being about normal levels of difficulty, followed by a huge difficulty spike in the final Trial - it places too much of a burden on the playerbase. It's not hard for players to help each other out when a dungeon is marginally more difficult than the one before it. It is much harder when content goes from walkover to difficult.

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How is the final trial a huge difficulty spike? Genuinely asking; I did it when the 8 of us were new to the instance and I fail to see how that fight is hard. Gotta pay attention to it, that's about it. Oh, wait, I think we found the problem.

im not sure if i completely get this post.

if it means anything, when i looked up a basic level 55 perception crafting rotation, the only tips available are within the perception of players that already had all the best gear and abilities. for example, my current gear only allowed me to have a maximum of 387CP while the rotation shown to me required gear that gave a maximum of 395CP. meaning that i would find no value in the tips until i was around level 60, so until then, i have to deal with failing most of my crafting attempts.

if anything, this is an example of how there are limits to how much high-level players can encourage low-level players requesting the nerfs when the perception of balance is literally on a high-level alone.

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Originally Posted by Vhailor

It's not hard for players to help each other out when a dungeon is marginally more difficult than the one before it. It is much harder when content goes from walkover to difficult.

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What spike? Just because you can snooze all the way to the end of dungeon, doesn't mean you can in the trial. It's a good wake up call, especially shows that most dungeon people sit back and barely click imo.

Prepareth thyself oh forum of online gaming for the doom of all cometh to rain crippling vengeance upon the frightened and huddled masses.

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i will post in this thread again, and all thread about this fight
the mechanics come from most of the MSQ trial and some off MSQ raid
may be it was a long time since someone last see the mechanics, or if someone us jump potion, all it take is just 1-2 wipes to learn all the mechanics
so here is what i am going to say, if this fight got nerf, it is more than just the new player who fail and cry for nerf to blame
I have been getting into this fight quite often either helping friends or FC
but the amount of 1/2 wipe quitters are uncountable, they are new player, return player, veteran and even mentor
be patience and learn the fight together or teach those new to the fight the mechanics, and stop rage quitting

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Originally Posted by akaneakki

Way too many people/players doesn't help and I can understand why. We see it everywhere, where attitude of not even bothering is there and players and by players, I mean very many players often say it's fine to slack.

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I think there is a mentality among some players of just wanting to be carried rather than trying. And the sad fact is you can't force people to change.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...p6s/?context=3

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Originally Posted by Mikhaill

That's a meme at this point.

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People started to meme it after other people started using it unironically, the meme was or is trying to make fun of those people, who do exist.

I know one of those people, he's always complaining about people not minding their own business telling him how to play, and always complaining about being kicked, we have tried to reason with him but he's one of those people who follows the "as long as we're not wiping you can do whatever you want". I just actively avoid partying him now.