Holy Spirit question

When should I be using Holy Spirit? I usually save up my mana for Requiescat and spam it, then use it sparingly when I have to be at a range. I've also used it to prep for tank busters and I don't have Shelltron up. Is this the correct usage of it, or should I be using it more/less? I don't save my mana exclusively for Holy Spirit either; if I notice my healer is a little lax on heals, I'll use Clemency to bump my HP to a safe level.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

When should I be using Holy Spirit? I usually save up my mana for Requiescat and spam it, then use it sparingly when I have to be at a range. I've also used it to prep for tank busters and I don't have Shelltron up. Is this the correct usage of it, or should I be using it more/less? I don't save my mana exclusively for Holy Spirit either; if I notice my healer is a little lax on heals, I'll use Clemency to bump my HP to a safe level.

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Nope your good, continue your good work.

As MT, Holy Spirits can be used anytime to quickly generate Oath Gauge and dish out some good damage at the same time. And what you explained does exactly just that; to get that 50 threshold for Sheltron. and I'd say keep up the good work! Just don't forget to use Requisecat whenever your MP's high. Don't even mind the buff, it only complicates things imo.

As OT, Holy Spirits is part of Magical DPS rotation that is best used after Fight or Flight has been used up. Apply Goring Blade first, then Requisecat with a buff, and fire away a barrage of Holy Spirits to deal some decent damage! Clemency is still your priority to save people's lives though, so in my personal opinion, i'd say it's best to be conservative, casting a maximum of 3-4 times to be safe.

I think the only downside to holy spirit is how bad it's animation is. It should feel a lot more impactful.

the 5 HS in the requiescat buff is tricky to do, Requiescat is a ogcd but if you use it before the last gcd is offcd, the 5th HS will be out of the buff at the end. Usually as mt I do 4 at max, and as ot try to do 5 if no movement is required.

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Originally Posted by Tegernako

I think the only downside to holy spirit is how bad it's animation is. It should feel a lot more impactful.

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*Whoosh ping* *Elsa star*

Ah thanks for the laugh I needed that XD

As off tank; FoF, Fast Blade, Goring, Req, Holy Spirit spam (all whilst mixing OGCDS in), then the same again with Royal Auth instead of Req and Holy until MP returns.
As Main tank it's pretty much the same, but use it more thoughtfully to help fill my Oath gauge for upcoming busters like Stormsplitter and Pull of Light.

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Well don't ever use it in shield oath that's your number 1 rule the second one is never use it outside of requiescats window unless it's seriously the only damage you can get for something like in Susan when you get the lightning and are separated from the boss for a gcd. If your pulling then shield lob roh swap to sword put up goring then get requiescat on the back end of the gcd and throw 5 then come back around and pop fof before your goring. If your. Not pulling put up goring then requiescat and go ham.

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Originally Posted by MrsFluffyButt

As off tank; FoF, Fast Blade, Goring, Req, Holy Spirit spam (all whilst mixing OGCDS in), then the same again with Royal Auth instead of Req and Holy until MP returns.
As Main tank it's pretty much the same, but use it more thoughtfully to help fill my Oath gauge for upcoming busters like Stormsplitter and Pull of Light.

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Nooooooo This is terrible don't do this unless you want grey percentiles on fflogs. Never use for at pull wait until your up to boring blade to pop it. And unless there a metric fuck ton of movement when the boss is pulled it's always gonna be higher damage to start with your requiescat and holy spirit spam immediately following putting up goring because holy spirit is boosted more than weapon skills can from your party buffs. And never ever ever ever use holy for your gauge. Ever. That's dumb.

FoF affects only physical damage, no point in using it for magical burst phase at all.
OT opener looks like GB combo->Req->HS x5->Fast->Riot->FoF->GB ->RA combo->RA combo->GB combo.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

Nooooooo This is terrible don't do this unless you want grey percentiles on fflogs. Never use for at pull wait until your up to boring blade to pop it. And unless there a metric fuck ton of movement when the boss is pulled it's always gonna be higher damage to start with your requiescat and holy spirit spam immediately following putting up goring because holy spirit is boosted more than weapon skills can from your party buffs. And never ever ever ever use holy for your gauge. Ever. That's dumb.

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It's not always going to be higher damage to start with requiescat holy spirit, it's only a dps gain if you end the fight losing a requiescat rotation. In the case that the fight length allows for it, it's potentially better to do a full FoF rotation first into requiescat. If you start with requiescat into fof, you never buff requiescat with fof. There are also considerations to be made for other buffs from other people - some buff all damage which favours a requeiscat opener, while others buff only physical damage (rdm, for example), which favours a FoF opener. There's even some magic damage buffs... nah just kidding.

You can either:
Fast savage halone (only if needed) > Fast riot goring > Requiescat > HS > FoF > Goring > RA RA > Goring... into regular rotation
Or
Fast riot (FoF) Goring > RA RA > Fast riot goring > requiescat (last 2 seconds of fight or flight) > regular rotation. Doing it this way means that your fight or flight will always line up with the second and third going after each req, and lead into the following req.

Fight length and buff status of the party will largely determine which is better overall.

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Originally Posted by KalinOrthos

When should I be using Holy Spirit?

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Save situational stuff, you'll use it as filler after GB depending on the state of FoF, Requiescat, and your MP.

In its most simplified form, the 'target dummy' rotation has 3 steps:
1) GB combo + RA filler (w/ FoF)
[FB, RB (FoF), GB, RA combo, RA combo]
(Note: FoF needs to be activated between RB and GB so that that the next GB will be buffed by FoF as well.)

2) GB combo + HS filler (w/ Requiescat)
[FB, RB, GB (requiescat), HS spam]
(Note: FoF buffs initial dmg of requiescat, and FoF will end after requiescat)

3) GB combo + RA filler (no buffs)
[GB combo, RA combo, RA combo]

REPEAT

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Originally Posted by MrsFluffyButt

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i personally find its better to do this as OT, weaving in oGCDs when needed like COS:
FoF ON
Goring blade combo
RA combo
Goring blade combo (you do it again to make sure it doesnt fall off during HS spam)
FoF Fades
Requiescat
Holy spirit spam
Back to Goring/RA when OOM.


Doing it this way basically guarantees the most overall fight DPS but slightly less burst at the start. it means more overall dps due to using FoF earlier and thus it being off cooldown shortly after HS spam is done, and thus you'll use it more often through a fight than you would by starting with Requiescat and HS spam.
Its done this way because FoF does NOT affect HS damage as FoF is only Physical damage and not magical.