Hey,
I have been running my scholar through Omega and other content and it is largely fine though I get it needs a bit of tweaking. Fey Union boy! oh boy does it take the fairy ages to tether and as soon as tank dodges an aoe and them boom its useless.
My question is around Excog.... I get it keeps tanks health about 50% for 30 seconds but does it actually have a limited number of healing output.. so tank <50% does it aim to get tank above 50% and then fall off? I dont quite get how it cancels itself prior to timer finishing... Any ideas?
Some times it seems to dance around 50% and below a few times and stays up for 30 seconds. I am not sure i get it tbh
Scholar Excog question?
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07-11-2017, 11:38 PMPaulHScholar Excog question?
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07-11-2017, 11:46 PMdeos
excog is a 30 second buff that you place on a party member.
if this party member drops below 50% HP while the buff is active, the person instantly gets a heal with 650 potency (can not crit) and the buff gets removed.
if the person is already below 50% HP when you give them the buff the heal activates instantly.
if the target does not drop below 50% HP before the buff runs out, nothing happens. -
07-11-2017, 11:49 PMPaulH
humph.. think lustrate is more useful... i am disappointed. Thanks for taking the time to answer!
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07-12-2017, 12:50 AMRyuDragnierOddly enough I've noticed a few...inconsistencies with the skill. I've seen people take attacks they wouldn't normally survive with it on. I don't know if the heal is throwing itself in there while their health is going down or what. It's really noticeable when a tank died to a tank buster despite being topped off without it, but it was added to them in the same circumstances (this includes what buffs are on them) they somehow survived it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulH
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07-12-2017, 01:49 AMBloodRubyXII
I use it on str accessory tanks in ex primals because i don't trust them, other than that i'd rather just risk it and lustrate if i have to (and i kinda don't trust co-healers to recognise the buff either and not immediately BOLESHIELDCOBENEFIC2CRIT)
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07-12-2017, 01:59 AMHeliantheae
I've been using it on troublesome DPS who have a hard time dodging. Or if the tank is below 50% as a 50+ Lustrate.
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07-12-2017, 02:45 AMVanilleFang
I can see it being actually relatively useful in V3.0. There are a few opportunities where you know someone will take massive damage, and you can drop it on them before that happens (think The Game).
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07-12-2017, 04:20 AMLiii
But unless excog prevents death lustrate does the same thing??? Only situation I see it being good is if you cohealer is dead, tank buster is coming out and you need to raise someone. Excog, adlo, union on tank then raise your dead friends. Otherwise if it's just to heal, I'd rather use lustrate as the chance to crit makes it a better tool to heal with.
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07-14-2017, 06:21 PMJeckyl_TeslaIt has its uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liii
Omega V1 for example, chuck it on the MT when Charbylidis is happening. No need to worry about the tank. Get an AoE ready.
I think Excog could use a few small tweaks, but I think for what it is it has lots of uses. It's more reliable than Lustrate if you know the tank is going to drop down passed 50% for certain.
I chuck it on the tank when they are mass pulling, when a tank buster is gonna happen, when there is dank AoE dmg coming out and I need to have that 100% focused, when the DPS are dead and you need to raise people but need to keep the tank alive, when you have a DPS and a tank targetted for a mechanic and you want to focus on the tank, chuck it on the DPS.
You know the times where Lustrates go off but the tank still dies? Using Excog in that situation would have saved them.
That's the thing about SCH I find, all of our skills aren't 100% used every fight. That doesn't make them useless. We have something for every situation except mass AoE going on over and over. Hell, Dissapitation, I haven't used it since level 62. But I still like to hold it for an oh shit button worst case scenario. -
07-15-2017, 02:04 AMPentt
It's main purpose is from the level 68 trait. If you still have 3 AF stacks and are approaching 30s left on your AF CD, you want to get rid of them to make use of the 20% proc. Assuming there's very light damage going out you can just ED 3 times, but if you know there will be damage coming soon you might as well Excog and "stock" that healing.
Playing around a 20% proc chance might seem silly, but it's all about efficiency, getting a quickened aetherflow proc at 3 sec left on your AF CD is just a big waste. -
07-15-2017, 04:50 AMRiyshnIt's not silly, it's detrimental. As it is now, Quickened Aetherflow is best ignored. There's basically 2 situations you're in as a SCH; PUGs, where you want to always keep at least one stack for an emergency Lustrate/Indom, and thus can't afford to burn the stack early in the hope that you might get the cooldown reduction. Or a raid setting, where you're planning out every usage ahead of time, and the unreliable cooldown shortenings are pointless, because they can't be planned around.Quote:
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07-15-2017, 05:27 AMRyuDragnierBeyond silly. A lot can happen in 30s, and you need those stacks on hand all the time just in case. Even if I have Aetherflow off CD I still won't waste stacks, a time may come where I'm forced to pop multiple Lustrates and I'd rather have the Aetherflow ready. If anything, that trait needs to make Aetherflow 45s guaranteed 60s. That alone would be a massive QoL change for SCH (though making Indom a 1s cooldown like Lustrate would really help too).Quote:
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07-15-2017, 06:19 AMlulunami
Excog seems to be suited for tank buster attacks. However, Excog is kind of under-tuned at the moment. If Excog could Critical Hit and possibly be 700 potency instead of 650 potency right now, Excog would be a lot better.
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07-15-2017, 06:22 AMYellow
Excog seems to be really useful to counter tank busters. I've had a couple of tanks get one shot by tankbuster mechanics in Omega 4, but maybe that's because they messed up the mechanics? No idea, but I imagine if we had a Scholar excog, the tank might have lived?
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07-15-2017, 11:12 AMRiyshnIn an actual one-shot situation Excog won't help, because it doesn't trigger until after damage is taken. The reason it looks like it just negates damage is because it happens so fast that the client-side HP bar doesn't update in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yellow
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07-15-2017, 12:19 PMTashimI did confirm this just now in lakshmi ex, got an offtank killed with a 28k hit while he had excog on. To test it successfully, it had to be a hit that was fatal, but only barely, so that if the excog had activated, it would have saved him. Excog didn't activate, and he died in one hit that did over half his total health. (he was a good sport about it)Quote:
Originally Posted by Riyshn
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07-16-2017, 04:05 AMAmetrine
Excog being the anti-tank buster is what I think the intended use is. It's good for mass pulls, too.
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07-16-2017, 04:40 AMNewSinz
Super useful. Heals more then Lustrate, tossing it in before tank busters or big damage keeps tank up followed with a lustrate tops them off. Emergency Tactics and Ald also better then Lustrate just has a cast time ( as far as potency ) and can crit. I find myself not using Lustrate as much. Lustrate is good dont get me wrong but unless it crits is medicore since the changes.
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07-16-2017, 02:43 PMRiyshn650p vs 600p is negligible. Excog also can't crit, which Lustrate can. On average, Lustrate will heal more than Excog.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewSinz