[dev] Battle speed and Combo system

Hello~
I'd like to start by saying thank you devs for all the work and updates ;)

Concerning the battle system as it is now, it feels slow because we do not have the old "free cost" actions anymore i.e. light thrust, heavy thrust.

The weapon skills by themselves feel useless and weak.
And it seems we are forced to use combos as the only option to do any type of significant damage.

I do feel that I am able to kill faster because in total the combos are doing more damage, but I also feel I'm doing a lot of waiting.

Could we lower cool down time and decrease combo dmg to make the fight feel faster? Or add "free cost" actions back and have a single 1000TP skill that does medium dmg and fast cool down?

Or whatever the devs can think of to fill in the gap while i'm waiting for my combo to cool down - watching my char auto atk is quite boring :p

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I will admit, the combo system does make all of our lower level WSs useful. Before I'd just use doom spike and chaos thrust.

I'm having a lot of dead time between the combo cool downs though =/

Not sure what you are talking about because i literally have to press a sh*tload more buttons this time.

I actually like it the way it is. Its fun, it makes a lot of sense. The combos are cool each class is completely different in its own way and each class has roles to fill. battle speed is actually faster as combos give potentially 3 weapon skills to use at the price of one.

We'll have to see how the new BR system works and if more is necessary.

A well worded constructive statement! Good to see stuff like this! Even though I disagree in part with your assessment its still very valid and war warranted! I would say wait till 1.21 and the inclusion of the job system to see how they further tweak the combat system. Perhaps things will be a little smoother then?

You can blame the existence of auto-attack for your downtime.

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

Hello~
I'd like to start by saying thank you devs for all the work and updates ;)

Concerning the battle system as it is now, it feels slow because we do not have the old "free cost" actions anymore i.e. light thrust, heavy thrust.

The weapon skills by themselves feel useless and weak.
And it seems we are forced to use combos as the only option to do any type of significant damage.

I do feel that I am able to kill faster because in total the combos are doing more damage, but I also feel I'm doing a lot of waiting.

Could we lower cool down time and decrease combo dmg to make the fight feel faster? Or add "free cost" actions back and have a single 1000TP skill that does medium dmg and fast cool down?

Or whatever the devs can think of to fill in the gap while i'm waiting for my combo to cool down - watching my char auto atk is quite boring :p

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I will admit, the combo system does make all of our lower level WSs useful. Before I'd just use doom spike and chaos thrust.

I'm having a lot of dead time between the combo cool downs though =/

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What job are you referring to? Because if it is your level 50 I'm curious where this down time is coming from? Do you not use any abilities other than weapon skills?

I agree its boring, you just have to wait (no auto attack doesnt mean shit, spamming A all the time doesn't account towards my fun-guage) until you have enough to dish out a combo. Then its back to waiting a while.

I think its just XIV/Devs though, XIV's battle system is just generally slow by default, by its design. you wont get that fast-pace-action type feel from it. Its all just menus and queues. Gotta live with the dull unfortunately!

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Originally Posted by Murugan

What job are you referring to? Because if it is your level 50 I'm curious where this down time is coming from? Do you not use any abilities other than weapon skills?

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You kind of have alot of downtime if you are bad at positioning and keep failing to chain combo.

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

Hello~
Could we lower cool down time and decrease combo dmg to make the fight feel faster? Or add "free cost" actions back and have a single 1000TP skill that does medium dmg and fast cool down?

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All DoW classes have a WS for 1000TP at 10 sec cool down. I guess whether or not they're powerful enough is up to each and everyone's opinion. I'm not sure I would enjoy pressing buttons again to gain TP when auto-attack does the same thing.

I just use a different combo when my other ones are on cool down, and in the lucky case that I actually have TP after putting all of my combos on cool down, I can just spam the first WS for 1000TP in between. This rarely happens though. So I don't see how WS recasts are the problem. Not having enough TP is, but it's obviously adjusted so that comboing isn't overpowered, like they said they adjusted the TP gained from auto-attacks in the patch notes.

Personally, I like the system at the moment. WSs and combos feel like they make a difference and take some work to land. If they were to lower the dmg and recast on WS, just so you can do it more, I think comboing might start feeling like a chore, something like forced manual auto-attacking.

That "idle" time is even worse when you have slow attacks that miss or are evaded.

Rampage, +Accuracy, and Throw to breach the gapz of idlyness! At least on Marauda.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

What job are you referring to? Because if it is your level 50 I'm curious where this down time is coming from? Do you not use any abilities other than weapon skills?

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

You kind of have alot of downtime if you are bad at positioning and keep failing to chain combo.

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For example MRD:
I generally use Brutal Swing → Maim → Godsbane, Godsbane is 1min cool down - have to wait to do the full combo again
Path of the Storm → Whirlwind is AOE - not very good when you're trying not to get adds, also 1min cool down
Heavy Swing → Skull Sunder - fast cool down but enmity generator xD

I am also curing, decoy, feather foot, beserk/rampage, foresight, etc etc. but often i'm waiting for the cool down because I find doing partial Brutal Swing → Maim not wroth while and single WSs even less so.

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Originally Posted by ninesunz

For example MRD:
I generally use Brutal Swing → Maim → Godsbane, Godsbane is 1min cool down - have to wait to do the full combo again
Path of the Storm → Whirlwind is AOE - not very good when you're trying not to get adds, also 1min cool down
Heavy Swing → Skull Sunder - fast cool down but enmity generator xD

I am also curing, decoy, feather foot, beserk/rampage, foresight, etc etc. but often i'm waiting for the cool down because I find doing partial Brutal Swing → Maim not wroth while and single WSs even less so.

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I feel ya. For a single battle, the fight will likely be over. But if you're trying to chain them together, you'll get hit with this cooldown more than not.

When someone else is tanking, would prefer not to do the Heavy Swing → Skull Sunder combo for the enmity gen. Conjurer is looking a little less unsexy (triple upside-down negative!).