People Who You Blacklist Shouldn't Be Able To Emote You

Why is this still a thing. Make it so that using an emote on a blacklisted person is rejected. It's a loophole with harassment.

what kind of harassment are you experiencing with these emotes? Are they offensive?

huh, I kind of just assumed that you wouldn't be able to see the emote text of someone you've blacklisted. If you still can, yeah it needs to be fixed.

Now if you're saying they shouldn't be able to do it at all, that I don't think is the intent of blacklisting.

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Originally Posted by FaileExperiment

huh, I kind of just assumed that you wouldn't be able to see the emotes of someone you've blacklisted. If you still can, yeah it needs to be fixed.

Now if you're saying they shouldn't be able to do it at all, that I don't think is the intent of blacklisting.

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thats what I thought, I thought you couldnt see the text of the emote. Or is the OP referring to actually seeing the person do it?

Blacklisted players can still stalk, harass, and annoy you to their heart's content. It just prevents them from speaking to you.

Basically you could be crafting away and the person you blacklisted can walk right up and make as many gestures and emotes they want, even if they can't text chat with you anymore.

It IS an oversight, and I don't think it's extreme at all if blacklisting someone makes them invisible to you and vice-versa. You shouldn't still have to deal with them.

You can see the emotes they do sadly. But if they say anything in say or shout chat your not able to see it. I agree they do need to fix it.

There's a lot of things blacklisted people shouldn't do. Sadly SE's blacklist feature only works half way if even, sometimes I think we might as well not have it at all, since all it restricts are tells and grayed out party finders. It still doesn't block people from being matched with you via Duty or Raid finder or even emotes. Pretty sure there's some other things, it won't prevent people on your BL from. So what's the deal of having it at all?

Ultimately, the blacklist feature is pretty much worthless. Squeenix needs to prioritise fixing this, with all the below (and possibly more, if I forgot anything).

- It should blacklist the player's entire account, not just the particular character you happened to run into.
- It should render that player's character(s) invisible to you, as well as render your characters invisible to them.
- It should automatically remove them from any of your social lists (friends, FC, etc), and remove you from theirs.
- It should remove them from the pool of players that the Duty Finder can match you with, and you from their pool.
- It should automatically hide their Party Finder listings, and hide yours from them.
- It should prevent them from being added to any party you happen to be in, and vice versa.

There's probably more things I haven't thought of, but this covers the absolute most basics at least.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

Ultimately, the blacklist feature is pretty much worthless. Squeenix needs to prioritise fixing this, with all the below (and possibly more, if I forgot anything).

- It should blacklist the player's entire account, not just the particular character you happened to run into.
- It should render that player's character(s) invisible to you, as well as render your characters invisible to them.
- It should automatically remove them from any of your social lists (friends, FC, etc), and remove you from theirs.
- It should remove them from the pool of players that the Duty Finder can match you with, and you from their pool.
- It should automatically hide their Party Finder listings, and hide yours from them.
- It should prevent them from being added to any party you happen to be in, and vice versa.

There's probably more things I haven't thought of, but this covers the absolute most basics at least.

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This is a game, not tumblr.

The blacklist feature should only:
- Prevent direct messages, whisper/tell/yell/shout, as the blacklist is basically client sided
- Hide the text of players who emote at you if blacklisted
- Hide the name of players who you blacklist
- Hide the player itself, their pet and mount from being rendered

That is all client-controlled behavior and other games have it.

Anything involving the party or duty finder would not be practical since you can blacklist someone by accident, and since they involve cross-realm systems, it would be easily defeated if there was an actual malicious intent behind it, and not someone simply being creepy.

For managing the duty finder, you should be able to bring up the "contacts" list and any party you've been kicked from, or have kicked will have a "temporary blacklisted to avoid being matched again for 30 days" automatically and you can clear it in case of a mistake.

Personally I think it would be better for you all to learn to use the blacklist feature that nature gave you called 'ignore. It's really simple to use and won't waste a butt load of cash that SE could use to make fun stuff for all of us.

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Originally Posted by Parisstilton

Personally I think it would be better for you all to learn to use the blacklist feature that nature gave you called 'ignore. It's really simple to use and won't waste a butt load of cash that SE could use to make fun stuff for all of us.

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One of the people on my blacklist stalks me in real life, and not just in game. Do I just ignore that? Blacklist is a feature to combat harassment, and there are many different reasons that people need to use it. I think improvements to the blacklist feature are crucial.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

- It should automatically remove them from any of your social lists (friends, FC, etc), and remove you from theirs.
- It should prevent them from being added to any party you happen to be in, and vice versa.

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Um..no. Everything else you mentioned I 100% agree with and some of the things you mentioned, the blist already does, but these two? absolutely not lol and for obvious reasons such as if someone is easily offended - (and there's loads of those snowflakes nowadays), I sincerily hope you don't mean the blisted person should be forcibly removed from the FC, and just straight up No to the last one 'It should prevent them from being added to any party you happen to be in, and vice versa'. I can't join a party because someone in it who isn't even the leader blacklisted me is in it? lolno, if they have a problem with me, then they either stay or gtfo. I ain't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

One of the people on my blacklist stalks me in real life.

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Perhaps you should get the authorities at that point?
You could ignore/report them if they act that ridiculous in game though. Don't let an emote piss you off.

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Originally Posted by Venoshock

Um..no. Everything else you mentioned I 100% agree with and some of the things you mentioned, the blist already does, but these two? absolutely not lol and for obvious reasons such as if someone is easily offended - (and there's loads of those snowflakes nowadays), I sincerily hope you don't mean the blisted person should be forcibly removed from the FC, and just straight up No to the last one 'It should prevent them from being added to any party you happen to be in, and vice versa'. I can't join a party because someone in it who isn't even the leader blacklisted me is in it? lolno, if they have a problem with me, then they either stay or gtfo. I ain't going anywhere.

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Eh, I think the friends list thing is viable and that it should also extend to search info. I've heard quite a few cases of people being stalked around by the person they blacklisted and the ingame mods taking a good long while to deal with it when it was reported for harassment. I don't think wanting to be left in peace makes someone a special snowflake and some people are legitimately so far out of their wits end in some of these situations that the whole 'they'll leave not me' is literally not viable. Kudos to being strong and all, and frankly I'd handle it the same way, but not everyone is and some of the nut jobs in this game aren't so easy to shake.

Report them if they continue to harrash you through other means and the rep will investigate it. black listing is doing what it is intended for.

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Originally Posted by kattzkitti

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While this could be combatted by logging out on the site/forums, here's 2 more things that could be considered:
- It should also auto-hide all forum posts from the other party for each person.
- It should hide each other's lodestone profiles (if they try to access it, perhaps throw up a custom 403 Forbidden error? Web developers will know exactly what this is about).

Sure, more determined stalkers will find ways around it, but this could also help. Another thing I would suggest is if you change your character name or change character realm... ISSUE A NEW LODESTONE CHARACTER ID! For people that change name or transfer realms to avoid a stalker, this lodestone ID being the same makes it easy for them to follow you. I have read the stories about this.

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ISSUE A NEW LODESTONE CHARACTER ID! For people that change name or transfer realms to avoid a stalker, this lodestone ID being the same makes it easy for them to follow you. I have read the stories about this.

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This just makes it easier for people who cheat. FC leader takes all gil sells FC house and then transfers.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

This just makes it easier for people who cheat. FC leader takes all gil sells FC house and then transfers.

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But it also has been used by stalkers to follow people who change name or realm to escape said stalkers. It's happened to my friends (though thankfully not to me). I personally believe protecting people from stalkers matters more than a cheater getting away with the gil. I'm not someone who has done it myself (nor will I ever), but the implications of harassment can be a lot more severe. There's no clean-cut answer on how to stop both unfortunately, so I feel therefore that protection from harassment should come first.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

One of the people on my blacklist stalks me in real life, and not just in game. Do I just ignore that? Blacklist is a feature to combat harassment, and there are many different reasons that people need to use it. I think improvements to the blacklist feature are crucial.

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And I am sorry this is happening to you. I have had it in rl myself so I do understand stand. However it should be dealt with by the proper authorities not patched over by a games developer. And have you ever thought that if they no longer can see you in game that it might actually make them worse in real life? This is exactly what happened to me btw.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

But it also has been used by stalkers to follow people who change name or realm to escape said stalkers. It's happened to my friends (though thankfully not to me). I personally believe protecting people from stalkers matters more than a cheater getting away with the gil. I'm not someone who has done it myself (nor will I ever), but the implications of harassment can be a lot more severe. There's no clean-cut answer on how to stop both unfortunately, so I feel therefore that protection from harassment should come first.

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Sad thing is that an officer in an FC I would absolutely HATE to lose this valuable tool for the very reason that it helps keep an eye on the problem children on my server. We have one person in particular who name changes and race changes almost every single month, causing drama in their wake whenever they find the few people who haven't committed their lodestone to memory. They've scammed people out of real money, harassed and stalked people in game, and were one of the primary examples I used in my last post for why we need more stringent matters when it comes to blacklisting because the mods REFUSE to ban them in spite of evidence of their actions. Without their lodestone half the server would never know where they were at all and that goes for several other bad apples. It's a sticky situation sadly. :/

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Originally Posted by Enla

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I can definitely agree it's a sticky situation all round. I can see the use for those tools. Though that being said, if you've blacklisted them yourself, you can keep track of their name changes since your blacklist (and friendlist) DO automatically update their entries with new names (I've seen it happen myself). If they've transferred off it does indeed become more problematic though. With regards to that one I'm not sure what to suggest.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I can definitely agree it's a sticky situation all round. I can see the use for those tools. Though that being said, if you've blacklisted them yourself, you can keep track of their name changes since your blacklist (and friendlist) DO automatically update their entries with new names (I've seen it happen myself). If they've transferred off it does indeed become more problematic though. With regards to that one I'm not sure what to suggest.

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Thankfully with that one most people on the server know what to expect with her, so it's pretty much a self policing situation at this point. However I had no realized that blacklists do that, so that's a wonderful bit of news that puts me somewhat at ease.

Why when we bl a friend , ur name is still in his friend list ? why when u delete ur friend u are still in his friend list? ._.

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Originally Posted by Parisstilton

Personally I think it would be better for you all to learn to use the blacklist feature that nature gave you called 'ignore. It's really simple to use and won't waste a butt load of cash that SE could use to make fun stuff for all of us.

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If only, people can be really annoying in-game with skill/emote spam to the point I'm forced to turn off voices, other player effects and other player sounds effects. I miss a "hide all" feature as a shortcut.