Titan-egi

Titan has never been that great, he can't hold hate off you unless you hold back and if he dies he's never getting hate back and the removal of sustain was just the last nail in his coffin.

So, I think it's time for some adjustment to Titan and/or the summoner.

If smn can't heal then there's simply no point in having a tank pet, he could be the best tank in the world and it won't mean squat if he dies. So before adjusting Titan, smn needs adjustment. Make physick scale off INT on smn the same way DoTs scale off MND on sch and add the effect of sustain when used on a pet. This alone would be enough healing to keep Titan, or any pet, alive while also making an utterly useless ability on smn have a purpose.

Now on to Titan himself. First off, his rock buster should generate more enmity, at current levels I rip hate off of him as soon as I enter dreadwyrm trance, he was fine when we were just a DoT mage, but not anymore.

Also, his cooldowns are all way too long. 15s for his AoE? 120s for low mitigation?

His AoE should have a 3s cooldown, it's his equivalent of unleash or overpower, he should be able to spam it. And 120s for a 20% damage reduction? Rampart on actual tanks is only 90s and they have other cooldowns to back it up! This should be 30s at most.

As for landslide, I don't think Titan really needs this, if we want to stun we have ifrit, what Titan really needs is a provoke. Change the effect of landslide to provoke or ultimatum so if he dies we can resummon him and he can actually take hate back.

With these changes Titan would actually be able to serve his purpose and the smn would be able to keep him alive to serve his purpose.

But, assuming SE is adamant about this no pet healing path they've chosen, I simply don't think there's any point in keeping Titan as a tank, in this case, I think Titan should be made the "AoE pet".

Remove rock buster and replace it with mountain buster as his basic attack, change earthen ward to a 10% damage reduction for the party, make landslide a frontal AoE similar to doom spike on drg and add tumult which will be an AoE attack with an additional effect of draw in to gather mobs up.

This would make Titan great for dungeon trash pulls and would make up a bit of the loss from the bane nerf at lower levels.

Everything yes. Doing overworld content feels less satisfying than it did back when Titan/topaz were useful. If not even fix him as a tank, the AoE pet is fanfreakingtastic. I can't even bring myself to get smn to 70 after maining it since 2.5. It just doesn't feel like a good job anymore :( And these changes would be at least a small step to making it much better

The Egi is useless. It needs to be more relevant. I know some people insist that is great for doing solo stuff ... But how much solo stuff do you actually do? Because the only time I get Titan out is for hunts because I just feel like getting titan out.

In theory Titan is a waste of space as it is at the moment and the only way to fix it to give it more relevance is to become a dps egi.

You can't use it for end game raid
You can't use it in a dungeon
You can't use it on extreme primals

I DO wanna use Titan more often but right now and for over the past 4 years it has been useless unless I'm killing mobs around the world areas....

Make him DPS egi for once and for all.

I agree with many of the proposals, but I suspect that most won't see the light of day, at least not in the next several patches and updates.

I especially agree on the need for Titan-egi to have a provoke ability, especially since summoning demi-Bahamut would now lead to the dismissal of the current egi. There needs to be some way for Titan-egi to regain enmity once he returns to the field, otherwise there's no point in having a tanking pet in the first place.

I suspect this was one of the main reasons Sustain was removed, because it's true that, in most circumstances, the only time a summoner would even bother to use Sustain is when he's using his tanking pet. But the current implementation of summoner seems set on discouraging the job from "tanking" any more, hence the loss of the spell.

Overall, the changes to summoner are generally in the right direction. But they also show signs of not being very well thought through. :(

Before the expansion I had used Titan a few times tank a few bosses while waiting for a tank to appear from the queue. Know that isn't a normal use of him, but at least he could hold aggro and I could keep him up. Now though he is so weak that I just use Garuda and burn mobs down.

Topaz carbuncle was in fact a viable tank, at least until level 30, when the arcanist class branches into its dedicated damage-dealing and healing paths.

As things stand, Titan-egi or topaz carby can hold hate from maybe one enemy, just about long enough for the summoner/arcanist to burn it down. If you are unlucky enough to be ganked by more than one enemy, good luck on keeping the pet alive.

And then there's the problem of FATE bosses. I have fond memories of finishing the third part of the Highbridge FATE series on my own as a summoner or arcanist. That's clearly not going to be possible any more.

I suppose there's a problem of what kind of "identity" arcanists are meant to have, now that the traditional jack-of-all-trades, the red mages, have entered the fray. It used to be that summoners/arcanists could, in a pinch, straddle the roles of tanking and healing (up to around level 30, at least). It seems the focus now is on making summoners and arcanists pure damage-dealers? If that's the case, more so the reason to re-design Topaz carby and Titan-egi as a different kind of pet, away from tanking.

In short, the specification for 4.0 smn was just not done very well, with not enough consideration for the consequences.

R.I.P.
Titan-Egi
Aug 27, 2013 - Jun 21, 2017

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

R.I.P.
Titan-Egi
Aug 27, 2013 - Jun 21, 2017

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Hahaha shoulda been a bucket of chicken nuggets XD

Egi's are in a bad state in general. Pet ai and animation delay cause the biggest grief to both smn/sch and I hope that it will be addressed sooner rather than later. The arcanist class is a pet class but as of right now the smn and the pet skills are fighting each other.

I don't know much about SMN but I think that giving Titan-egi a provoke might wind up being way too good in raids. How tough is the thing at cap? The idea of a pet soaking a tankbuster or what have you seems like it would have a major impact on raid mechanics.

I remember the odd old days where Titan-Egi was a viable tank choice for Ramuh Extreme before he got nerfed.

What a glorious time that was.

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Originally Posted by Age_of_Oblivion

I don't know much about SMN but I think that giving Titan-egi a provoke might wind up being way too good in raids. How tough is the thing at cap? The idea of a pet soaking a tankbuster or what have you seems like it would have a major impact on raid mechanics.

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He has about 38k hp at level cap in i293 gear, which is around the same amount as a level 60-65 tank, he also doesn't have a tank stance and only 1 20% mitigation CD, so he might be able to do this once in an emergency if the OT is dead and probably wouldn't even survive it, but he wouldn't be viable to replace an OT, nor would it be any kind of dps gain since the smn would be giving up some dps to use Titan and if they had to keep swapping pets it would tax their mp.

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Originally Posted by Age_of_Oblivion

I don't know much about SMN but I think that giving Titan-egi a provoke might wind up being way too good in raids. How tough is the thing at cap? The idea of a pet soaking a tankbuster or what have you seems like it would have a major impact on raid mechanics.

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He's got about 43.5K at ilvl 309. As was mentioned he has practically no mitigation. At this ilvl I'm finding he is dead about 3/4 of the way through fighting a 70 lvl B Rank. He will be down quite a bit of HP with groups of three and usually dies if there are more with SB content. Since he won't get aggro back if he is summoned again I will summon one of the other egi's to finish the fight. Running Duty Roulette before SB I would occasionally use Titan to tank trash pulls when waiting for a real tank. With Sustain I could keep him up long enough for us to kill the mob. He would be dead in no time on a boss. I don't think a provoke would hurt anything as Titan is not viable for anything other than trash in synced dungeons. A provoke method would help in the open world but I still think it would be better to bring back Sustain as it can be used across all egi's and aligns well philosophically with the Summoner being a pet class.

I've only really found use for him back in 3.x for unsynced low-manning ADS where we'd open with Titan tanking so he'd eat vulnerability stacks, and then the tank would provoke after he died since the healer couldn't heal through the stacks otherwise.

Theoretically, if I found some open world use for Titan (like soloing a FATE boss or something), without Sustain, what's the point?

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Originally Posted by Mature

You can't use it for end game raid
You can't use it in a dungeon
You can't use it on extreme primals

Make him DPS egi for once and for all.

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i kinda disagree here. not everyone is focusing on endgame (raid/primal farm) - titan was used to be a pve support for those who were on their own on fates and open world areas – yes. just adjust his enmity potecy and give him a kind of self regen (or sustain for ourselves) than he's back on track and useful for his purpose again. we don't need a third dps egi... where do you wanna settle him in between of ruda (range) and ifrit (melee) anyway?

though I agree that he's nearly worthless in his current state. : /

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Originally Posted by Neela

though I agree that he's nearly worthless in his current state. : /

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Seeing that Egis are growing bigger now ("bahamut is the first step it seems") I would mind spawning a bigger Titan and let him tank for 14secs. Like become an actual tank. Then again this might change the whole dinamics of the fight. Not sure tbh how they can make titan relevant cause I can guarantee you that the majority of SMN including myself either spawn him for hunts , fates or just for posing. There's not real use for him tbh

Titan egi still pretty good for soloing stuff. You can tank with titan at first and once it become low hp, summon bahamut and tank the boss yourself. After bahamut duration is over titan return with full hp. Let titan generate 50% aggro and use lucid dreaming half your own aggro so titan can get aggro back. Drain is really useful skill in solo content that heal your own hp and it is not even huge dps loss compared to ruin if you keep dots and pet attacking whole time.

Here i soloed titan extreme.
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hmm that sounds kinda creative - honestly i like that idea to use him in combination with Bahamut a lot... o.o

yet another "timing" to master on this cls than hmm... could be problematic if Titan can't stand long enough until Bahamut proc is ready (lesson 1) than switching enmity between smn & egi can be hard (lesson 2) but hell yeah - like I said I like that a lot, will try that on fates. at least for single target fights this can be really funny... wonder if enmity switching in over–mobbing would be to handle as well. Have you tried that too Suna? ^^

never the less thumbs up for bringing this up :3

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Originally Posted by Mature

Not sure tbh how they can make titan relevant cause I can guarantee you that the majority of SMN including myself either spawn him for hunts , fates or just for posing. There's not real use for him tbh

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Saying the majority of Summoners is making a pretty big assumption. I use Titan a fair amount in the open world and quite heavily when I'm leveling. Anecdotally based on my server I would say most Summoners use him while leveling and for B rank bosses. As neither of us have access to the real numbers all we can voice is our opinion based on what we do. Not for the Summoner base as a whole.

I also use Titan to farm some of the older dungeons that are on the edge to be able to run solo. I've also used him in groups to run the trash while waiting to replace real tanks. With the changes he has become pretty much useless for this or anything else. As I run minimal end game stuff at the normal levels the nerf impacts my play quite a bit. So while it might not impact your playing style it does impact many other player's styles and the possible resolutions really shouldn't matter to you as they have no impact what so ever.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

Saying the majority of Summoners is making a pretty big assumption. I use Titan a fair amount in the open world and quite heavily when I'm leveling.

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I guess titan is only useful for levelling and doing old content. I personally like to be able to actually use it on dungeons , raid , xtremes

So far just feels pointless once u crossed or have leveled

Ya. The chocobo is a better tank than Titan these days. And confirm no longer able to solo boss fates - Titan just dies too quickly.

My biggest wish is for Physic -> Int. I don't mind healing my pet. I mind that I have to spam heal to keep up with the damage being done to it.

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Originally Posted by Mature

You can't use it in a dungeon

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Tis doable, but Healer needs to really REALLY be on point. Had to titan tank Shisui with mix of 61/63 gear and a healer that was just about synced down full 310, but if there ever EVER was a time I wanted to have sustain, it would of been during the last boss and ruby princess herself. Regret still not having replay up and going just from the absurdity and hilarity of it all.

Oh AND BEING ABLE TO APOC TITAN WOULD BE NICE <_< The magic damage from that last boss... just..... my god..

Right now he is not in a good place regardless really and the mc nugget needs to go back into the fryer, he's under-cooked.

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Originally Posted by Mature

I guess titan is only useful for levelling and doing old content. I personally like to be able to actually use it on dungeons , raid , xtremes

So far just feels pointless once u crossed or have leveled

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I should added more clearly I also try to use him for B ranks but he usually dies before they do. At this point I haven't over geared the B ranks so having Titan tank is important given the few skills we have that allow for movement. But yes they have made Titan pretty much useless compared to what he was in HW and before. However to make him usable again would be pretty simple by returning Sustain in place of Physick. Not to mention it could be used on the other two egi's as well.

Moonstone carbuncle 2017!

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Originally Posted by Vallhallix

Moonstone carbuncle 2017!

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I wonder if we will get those skins (Obsidian & Moonstone)... I really want the black & white... would fit my glams way better than the colorful ones x'D