RDM - Corps-a-corps should have a slightly shorter cooldown, it is often unavailable

Clearly the intended way to play RDM is that you build up your gauge to 80+, corps-a-corps in, slashslashslash and displacement out again. However it happens constantly that I've built back up enough gauge to jump in again and corps-a-corps is still on cooldown by 2-3 seconds. I think it's cooldown should be lowered from 40->35 seconds to avoid this. Displacement already has a 35 second cooldown.

Well, this is most certainly not a necessity for the job...as I believe its fine as it is... Guess it all boils down to play style... when I play as RDM after use of Corps-a-corps, plus follow-up combo, I generally have other actions I take, which builds back up the mana gauge enough for another combo, I get into melee range and use my follow-up combo again, minus Corps-a-corps... no worries..next time around it's up, I Corps-a-corps with follow-up combo again... So. yea.

Cooldown should automatically reset when you reach 80 W/B Mana
So it is not abused outside of the melee combo but still there when needed

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Originally Posted by Rhyn

Clearly the while premise behind RDM is that you build up your gauge to 80+, corps-a-corps in, slashslashslash and displacement out again. However it happens constantly that I've built back up enough gauge to jump in again and corps-a-corps is still on cooldown by 2-3 seconds. I think it's cooldown should be lowered from 40->35 seconds to avoid this. Displacement already has a 35 second cooldown.

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You're actually probably better off weaving Corps-a-Corps and Displacement between Dualcast'd spells for a dps gain.
That said, it is quite bothersome that their cds are slightly offset, from a pure gameplay flow perspective.

I 100% agree with the original post, though I would suggest preemptively lowering it even further to 30 seconds on both. It seems casters are getting drowned in spell speed, which will mean in a few patches even a 35 second cooldown might be too long. I don't like sitting at 90/100 mana and either spending 3 seconds running in to do my melee combo, or waiting the 3 seconds for corps-a-corps to reset.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I 100% agree with the original post, though I would suggest preemptively lowering it even further to 30 seconds on both. It seems casters are getting drowned in spell speed, which will mean in a few patches even a 35 second cooldown might be too long. I don't like sitting at 90/100 mana and either spending 3 seconds running in to do my melee combo, or waiting the 3 seconds for corps-a-corps to reset.

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Spellspeed scales (inversely) with level.
2k spellspeed now is the same as around 1.1k in HW, if memory serves me right.
Just something to keep in mind.

I think the cd is fine. If it's not up by the next time you are at 80/80 mana you should be using dual cast to get into range so you aren't losing damage by having to manually move into melee range.

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Originally Posted by Selova

I think the cd is fine. If it's not up by the next time you are at 80/80 mana you should be using dual cast to get into range so you aren't losing damage by having to manually move into melee range.

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I agree I mean what else do you think manification is for?

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

I agree I mean what else do you think manification is for?

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was coming to say exactly this.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I 100% agree with the original post, though I would suggest preemptively lowering it even further to 30 seconds on both. It seems casters are getting drowned in spell speed, which will mean in a few patches even a 35 second cooldown might be too long. I don't like sitting at 90/100 mana and either spending 3 seconds running in to do my melee combo, or waiting the 3 seconds for corps-a-corps to reset.

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It really shouldn't be a problem, out of every 10 seconds you've got ~6 where you can move freely. In a lot of fights you are better off using Corps a Corps and Disengage for extra damage, to deal with mechanics like Susano's purple marker or just avoiding Disengage altogether if you are prone to suiciding with it.

For most content, you should just already be in melee range by default. Use Corps-a-corps and Displacement for pure damage or for mechanic-specific movements rather than committing them to your melee combo, and position manually during Dualcasts.

Guys, this class is played by bads as well. It is completely obvious that the general playstyle is supposed to be: castcastcast, 80+, jump in, slash it up, jump out again and start over. It is completely irrelevant that the current optimized rotation reverses that (actually that's a design oversight). This -completely new job- needs this tiny cd tweak for normal play.

Just cast stuff and move in between the Dualcast GCD. Plan ahead if you're nearing 80/80 and Corps is still charging up for a bit.

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Originally Posted by Rhyn

Guys, this class is played by bads as well. It is completely obvious that the general playstyle is supposed to be: castcastcast, 80+, jump in, slash it up, jump out again and start over. It is completely irrelevant that the current optimized rotation reverses that (actually that's a design oversight). This -completely new job- needs this tiny cd tweak for normal play.

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Are you saying your bad? Are you saying you need this cd tweak to not be bad? Cause thats what it sounds like..

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

Are you saying your bad? Are you saying you need this cd tweak to not be bad? Cause thats what it sounds like..

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Jesus the responses in this thread. So what if I was bad? Me being bad or not is completely irrelevant. Basically you saw 'bad' in the post, skipped all the rest and went "Lol no he's bad" just now. I was talking about the difference between using the current meta of using displacement/corps-a-corps in that order (solely for the dps increase, and where the 40s cooldown doesn't matter) from melee range vs how the class -clearly- was designed to play which is corps-a-corps, melee combo, displacement. And I'm pointing our a problem that breaks the flow of the class for normal (not super min/max) players, in that corps-a-corps is often not ready when you need to jump in or hit 100/100. Stupid workarounds like, "just run in then", "just wait a bit, cast some more" are not helpful. It's a completely new class, we're literally v.01 away from 4.0. It's not gonna be perfect right off the bat.

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Originally Posted by Rhyn

the class -clearly- was designed to play which is corps-a-corps, melee combo, displacement.

Stupid workarounds like, "just run in then", "just wait a bit, cast some more" are not helpful.

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The job's most prominent mechanic is not the melee combo, but the Dualcast trait, which is not only critical to the efficient execution of the job's other mechanics, but is also the most RDM thing about RDM beyond the hat. You get the Dualcast trait at Lv1, before even learning any actions you can actually use with it. That's how RDM it is.

The job -clearly- was designed to give us many opportunities to employ clever workarounds like, "just run in then", where taking advantage of the Dualcast mechanic gives us the freedom to be whereever we need to be whenever we need to be there.

Well there is a neat skill that resets it but its used in the opener.

I feel like even just 2 seconds shorter would be perfect from personal experience.

I think i wouldn't mind it shortened a bit, but usually its up when I need it most. If not, I'm one to just use my melee combo without it, and just use it the next time. Put it at 35s call it a day. Having it shortened actually wouldn't affect much considering your using it only when you get 80/80 offset anyway, optimally that is.