Increase Diminishing Returns?

Right now, I feel like being able to stun/silence combo as a PLD/DRK every 10-15 seconds is a little too strong. Maybe raising diminishing to 20-30 seconds might be fair? When coordinated play happens, bringing in sleeps as well, you can pretty much reduce a healer to 3 seconds of up time every 10 seconds.

What's everyone's thoughts?

Please adjust this before Healers get CC'ed into an unplayable oblivion

I personally think it's fine as it is. The CC durations are shorter, especially sleep. Purify is a shorter cooldown now, and you can use Purify on your teammates (I think you need to account for this if the enemy is also going to be coordinated). You can no longer chain stun like before, and all instant heals work while silenced and knockback/draw-in.

The thing is that if you do this, then you significantly decrease a tank's ability to carry and be competitive on the solo ladder. Right now PLD is in a very solid spot and can definitely be competitive, but if you double or triple DR then they will be back where they've always been. Behind melee and healers.

15s base, 20s with the trait might be a better place to put it. Any higher than 20s though and you're really pushing it. 15s DR vs people with the trait already significantly affects tanks compared to 10s. 30s seems extreme.

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Originally Posted by Paragnie

and you can use Purify on your teammates (I think you need to account for this if the enemy is also going to be coordinated).

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You actually can't. I know it says you can, but try it. It's self-only.

Ah thank you it's good to know!

actualy its hard to know if it need to be adjusted or not.
we can't get platinium/diamand game all the day to tell if the CC resist is good or CC is too overpowered.
the balance between job is important you need the same carry power for every role and not only melee and healer like it was before.
Its a other story but war is bad SE ;p

As was said, right now it's hard to tell how it'll turn out in quality high-level games, but so far I would tend to agree. In a coordinated setting with the right comp, you could technically sleep 3s into stun 3s into silence 2s every 10 seconds, and then the healer gets 2s to act before Sleep DR falls off, that's insane. For now it hasn't been much of a problem because few players even use their CC (except Paladins in my experience, maybe because they're used to it, but I rarely see Bards silencing people, for example), but once people realize how potent it is, healers will basically be forced to spend all their resources to counter CC, like taking the increased DR trait, Purify and Concentrate as additional actions, and the decreased recast trait for those, and that's just to make sure they're not CC'd for literally the majority of the time in the game.

There is also the problem of the drag/knockback abilities, especially from DRK. It is basically a full cc on it's own available every 10 secs without any DR. I haven't played feast much since Sb so i only have little idea of how it is. What do you think of it?

Most of the CC is survivable so long as you know what's going on. There's also a trait to increase immunity time that I take on most of my stuff, which helps reduce chain CC. Tanks are something to keep distance from if you're a squishy, and laughable on something like a Tank.

Dragoon's get a free get out of Jail card with elusive jump for those who play that. But for most, I recommend the increased immunity, which helps against the chain CC. But if someone is getting targeted by a coordinated team, it's coordination that that counters it. It's just not as fun when you're the target and nobody knows to save you.

time to use that concentration and CC resist duration

Agreed, DR should be doubled.

Why? Two reasons.

1) The gameplay is not fun. Being locked down do frequently with little (or in most cases: absolutely no) options for counterplay is not exciting. It was less frustrating even in the old system because there were several ways around CC.

2) Even poorly timed (spamming on CD) CC has huge impact. This is because healers have a super gutted toolkit and are unable to "catch up" from being locked down for so long. Proper use of CC should be rewarded, not just the use of it in general.

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Originally Posted by KusoWat

Agreed, DR should be doubled.

Why? Two reasons.

1) The gameplay is not fun. Being locked down do frequently with little (or in most cases: absolutely no) options for counterplay is not exciting. It was less frustrating even in the old system because there were several ways around CC.

2) Even poorly timed (spamming on CD) CC has huge impact. This is because healers have a super gutted toolkit and are unable to "catch up" from being locked down for so long. Proper use of CC should be rewarded, not just the use of it in general.

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Are you taking the current existing trait into account? Because there's already a trait that increases resist duration.