I Can't Bring Myself to Do Lower Level Dungeons On a Lvl 70

Because all the classes play horrible now below 70. There are some exceptions but losing a lot of defining abilities especially after the pruning of old abilities makes lower level dungeons on the roulette so mind numbingly boring that I can't bring myself to do them. They need to fine tune the system so we don't lose access to our higher level abilities when our level is synced down for the lower level dungeons. Who cares if it creates some imbalance, none of that content is hard anyways.

It's not that hard and fairly easy. Takes times to adjust, feels weird, yet they are do able and go by pretty fast. We have been spoiled :P

I do agree it feels boring, but verity tomes are verity tomes. /shrug

tbh

Things don't feel that different from what it was in HW. So suck it up I guess?

i do it for two reasons:

1. It helps out the newer folks get a queue pop
2. I get Tomes. TOMES TOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! haha ha aaahahaha



(i hate you, Rowena)

This was why I moaned so much about WHM losing stoneskin; now I have no shields at all for my FC challenges and can't justify ever taking it because it destroys the job for some lowman/minimum sync encounters that AST and even nerfed-to-death SCH can manage fine. Stupid Benison :(

In fairness, low level dungeons always sucked. Its juts more obvious now that you lose so much.

I'd be happy though if leveling roulette would put you in the relevant dungeon for the lowest level party member, or something more relevant. I die a little inside every time I get tamtara and see everyone is on a level 60+ job.

nothing changed for me , I always hated playing synced , being used to max level rotations makes it boring to revert back to leveling rotation

I hope they change it so you can keep all your abilities and just sync the damage

I was almost excited while reading the OP, until I reached the "Who cares if it's unbalanced..." part.

Yes, they totally broke several jobs pre-70 in order to get the Lv70 stuff to work, which is terrible game design. They should have designed it in such a way that all previous functionality was maintained. That's not to say they can't do away with some things. But taking things like DRK's Blood Price and nerfing it into the ground just so they could add the Blood Gauge in the way they wanted is not okay. They should have just designed Blood Gauge to work around the way Blood Price already worked.

However, it matters a lot whether it's unbalanced. Adding synced-down Lv70 skills to Lv50 content may seem fun, but those bosses were never designed to take those abilities into account. It might work, as long as it was synced down. But I would be very worried about some of the bosses becoming exceptionally easy due to the new skills. Still, considering how badly they gimped pre-70 jobs, jobs more or less feel incomplete until 70 now. So giving people access to their full arsenal of skills at all levels might go quite a distance towards encouraging players to actually play synced content. I'm quite split on this.

how to do lower level dungeon 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2.... zzzzzz

iirc, i have not played WoW in many years. But did they not let you keep your abilities that you had unlocked, just sync'd them all down to whatever level you are on? Sure it still made older content "easier" but at least it did not mess up your action bars, and you could still do your "rotations".

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Originally Posted by itti18

nothing changed for me , I always hated playing synced , being used to max level rotations makes it boring to revert back to leveling rotation

I hope they change it so you can keep all your abilities and just sync the damage

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Agree 100%. I hate how you lose access to your abilities.

One of the best things about Guild Wars 2 was that once you unlocked a button, you had it at all times even while sync'd down. Squeenix could really learn a thing or two from that game, there's so many things in that game's designs that this game could immensely benefit from.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

This was why I moaned so much about WHM losing stoneskin; now I have no shields at all for my FC challenges and can't justify ever taking it because it destroys the job for some lowman/minimum sync encounters that AST and even nerfed-to-death SCH can manage fine. Stupid Benison :(

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SS was pretty garbage though. >_> 8% shield is nothing, especially in low level dungeons.

It's weird how eveyone says they missed it, but when we had it everyone complained that it was useless.

Some people argued that new tanks (who don't have many abilities or even tank stance) will not hold aggro against high level burst synched.
Or just compare dps of lv16 arcanist who has only Ruin, Bio and Miasma VS lv70 synched summoner who has deathflares, akh morns and ruin 4s.
Nor will they survive big pulls because they don't have access to higher tier defence abilities yet. But lv70 synched tanks will survive with their full kit just fine and will pull the whole dungeons.

So there will be a massive difference how this content is run with massive difference in performance.

They ought to normalize the EXP giveout from dungeon enemies so that you still get a good amount of EXP from killing enemies in a sync'd down dungeon.

I tend to groan when I get any of the 1-50 dungeons as my leveling roulette, because getting 1K EXP per kill vs. the 15K-30K per kill from the SB dungeons is pretty terrible.

I hadn't done Level roulette for months, probably over a year, till SB came. From my perspective the lack of high level abilities isn't stopping me from doing it. It's that the bonus isn't incentive enough for Tam-tara roulette when I could run the expert in relatively the same time, if not faster, and get other loot for seals and such. That's still largely the same. Thanks to the story mission being the most run dungeon *and* it drops loot, I'm getting tomes, gil, *and* company seals. The rewards are just not worth it. For me, at least.

And even if I do it under 70, the xp bonus is less than I can get from the most recent dungeon (that needs looked at).

That said Ifrit in Level Roulette is always nice!

It was already boring before SB, I dont want to imagine how boring it will be now..and how many new players are turned away from the game because the jobs will not feel like fun until much later...also I do not want to be a new summoner that has to do all the job quests without sustain..I am not really sure if SE thought about the consequences for some of their job changes for newer players.

If they fix it.
I bet high ilvl players go kick low players like WoW.

No cool

But, It was help for reward tomes, gils and EXP

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Originally Posted by OwlBlackX

If they fix it.
I bet high ilvl players go kick low players like WoW.

No cool

But, It was help for reward tomes, gils and EXP

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Quite sure they will get in trouble for that as they are kicking someone for no valid reason..

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Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Quite sure they will get in trouble for that as they are kicking someone for no valid reason..

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If they don't say anything, the GMs will just chalk it up to playstyle differences most likely. They understandably don't want to get involved in player politics unless it's a blaringly obvious abuse, which kicking someone without saying anything is hard to gauge is definitely abuse, so they prefer to just chalk it up to playstyle difference which IS a valid reason.

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

If they don't say anything, the GMs will just chalk it up to playstyle differences most likely. They understandably don't want to get involved in player politics unless it's a blaringly obvious abuse, which kicking someone without saying anything is hard to gauge is definitely abuse, so they prefer to just chalk it up to playstyle difference which IS a valid reason.

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That's absurd..wrongly kicking someone is wrongly kicking even if they want to prefer it to be something else..

They already gave in to let scholars use their pets when sync'd. If people hear that now they think I'm just making stuff up, but there really was a time where you couldn't summon your fairy as a scholar when you were sync'd below level 30. And, since all you had was carbuncle, you couldn't queue as a healer for sub 30 content! For people wondering about how that would work with duty finder and roulettes....well those things weren't always around either.... dark times indeed? And, no this wasn't the game's 1.0 release. Scholars didn't exist then! :p

So, mostly because no scholar weren't allowed their pets below level 30 sync'd greatly reduces the number of people healing low level content, they gave in, patched it and let you summon your fairy at sub 30 levels when sync'd. But what happened next? Scholars really have it made for that content huh? The running joke is that they can just afk and put the tank on follow. The sad thing is, it works.... It works well....

That said, I'd prefer to just have our abilities if we have to queue for sync'd content and not have them removed. Maybe there is something else that could be done to balance it out?

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Originally Posted by VanilleFang

SS was pretty garbage though. >_> 8% shield is nothing, especially in low level dungeons.

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It wasn't a great spell but it made the difference between a successful clear and a disaster more than once for me. Like the time my FC buddy entered Baelsar's Wall lower than the minimum item level for her very first clear without realising - who knew that was possible? She got one shot by the final boss repeatedly because she was simply too weak to take the hit at full HP. Using Stoneskin let her actually beat the dungeon without lying dead on the floor; otherwise we would have had to leave at the final boss and redo it later or carry her through the climax of the game unnecessarily. Then there are all the lowman minimum item level ARR/HW trials my FC likes to do for fun - WHM is not welcome there as it ruins the attempts. It was never great, but now it's actively impossible to clear some fun, challenging stuff without Stoneskin.

They could fix both problems in one go with a low level, crummy version of DB which gets upgraded to the current version (and preferably, tuned a bit) at the current level. It can have a cast time and be weaker, I don't mind. It's better than having no shielding at all.