MCH Levels 52-62

This isnt a DPS discussion. There are plenty o threads for that already.

My question is with the new heat mechanic attatched to the GB at 52, why do MCHs have to endure 10 levels with no way to reduce heat (aside from Quick Reload) prior to Cooldown at 62? What am I missing here?

Btw I love the class, have mained and will continue to.

I don't have a good answer. The devs overlook a LOT of retroactive content and low level issues. For example MCH's attack potencies are relatively low to compensate for the fact they have turrets which pump out a constant stream of damage too, but when you get pushed back into content below level 40, you lose your turrets and your damage becomes even more abyssmal. This is true for a lot of post-ARR classes, where they don't properly account for the order in which skills are obtained and when.

Compare and contrast to RDM and SAM which get front-loaded with a lot of heavy hitters that make it very very difficult for tanks to hold threat against them in low level content (Because again, many tanks don't get their tank stances til somewhat later)

What Ryuujin said. The new mechanics were created with the idea that the players are already level 60, so the idea of having to spend 10 levels with minimal heat reduction is not important.

Similarly, the heated shots don't become available until later either, and they force you to reconsider your entire rotation once again.

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Originally Posted by kupokage

This isnt a DPS discussion. There are plenty o threads for that already.

My question is with the new heat mechanic attatched to the GB at 52, why do MCHs have to endure 10 levels with no way to reduce heat (aside from Quick Reload) prior to Cooldown at 62? What am I missing here?

Btw I love the class, have mained and will continue to.

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you're not missing much. It's why I stay away from 50/60 like a plague. I don't want to deal with conflagrating but it's the only way to get more damage since they took my more grenado shot and dot away. May they rest in pieces

While you can't do much to reduce heat in combat, I haven't actually found that to be a real big problem. Outside of combat just unequip your Gauss Barrel and put it back on while running between groups, and that will reset your Heat to 0.

I would say my issue is just how much the job changes by how much unlocks later on. I don't know if I had a real feel of what a 70 MCH felt like until 64 when heat is really relevant. Not having heated shots made heat feel like ok it is there...so? The only job I've played up to this level is SAM and even they feel like they ease into Kenki and other skills much better than MCH does right now. I don't mind not having ways to really reduce heat but not having anything to really do with heat or really gain it is probably a worse experience than not being able to reduce it.

1 of the many ongoing issues with mch atm. I mean if your brave enough to stay with mch it becomes a anwesome flashy job but don't expect to be in raids currently as they are pretty much useless and would rather have a sword oathing pld over a mch.

That's a bit of a hyperbole. We at least perform better than sword oath PLDs. It's just our ranged dps/ support slot 100% isn't going to prefer a MCH

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Originally Posted by Shhikasan

1 of the many ongoing issues with mch atm. I mean if your brave enough to stay with mch it becomes a anwesome flashy job but don't expect to be in raids currently as they are pretty much useless and would rather have a sword oathing pld over a mch.

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I dont login to raid so thats no skin off my ass. I will continue to be flashy in casual content and love it.

One workaround could be to have Heated shots tied into Gauss Barrel at 52, and/or for overheating to be less of a severe punishment, but that probably won't happen.

I imagine they didn't consider this in a lot of cases. Miasma losing it's outgoing healing debuff has apparently caused problems for a handful of people leveling Arcanist as I understand it, as there's a job quest that requires you to use it on Healer NPCs.

Really the only case I can think of where a Low Level Job actually getting improved at lower levels is Paladin.

Not only are those ten levels painful but every level before Gauss Barrel is even more a study in tedium. Without our dot we barely do enough DPS to matter even with an optimal rotation which makes the hitting anything lower than 52 in Leveling or 50/60 roulette utterly unbearable.

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Originally Posted by SuperFlorinjin

While you can't do much to reduce heat in combat, I haven't actually found that to be a real big problem. Outside of combat just unequip your Gauss Barrel and put it back on while running between groups, and that will reset your Heat to 0.

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I don't see the purpose of removing your canon. Overheat still provides you 10sec of bonus dmg, then 10sec without the 5% dmg from Gauss barrel. It obviously is better than just having always just 5% as long as you don't have access to the moves making you having a real purpose with that 50+ heat. You can even train already to see the heat going high and do your best to adapt with Wildfire.

Actually now that I am 64+ I just loathe going into duty roulette and being unable to use most of my skills effectively.

Yea, our new system is a whole thing not made to do anything else than 64+ content to give it some sense.

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Originally Posted by Elnidfse

you're not missing much. It's why I stay away from 50/60 like a plague. I don't want to deal with conflagrating but it's the only way to get more damage since they took my more grenado shot and dot away. May they rest in pieces

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Grenado was so much cooler than the one we got to keep. It also fit better thematically. It doesn't make since for our musket to be auto fire haha