Remove accessories from guaranteed dungeon loot! :I

(I know some other person maded a threat about this! But I cant find it!) As it say: Remove accessories from guaranteed loots! >_> Did a bunch of SB dungeons and mostly got stupid and useless accessories =_= wich makes the new system more garbage... No fun playing a Stormblood dungeon knowing you possibly get an accessorie, because we all know how our "rng" is! :U .. I thought they brought that new system to attract people into dungeons, or am I misstaken?

Let me guess:

You keep selling the accessories instead of holding onto them cause auto-drop loot cannot drop what you already have in your inventory and armory chest. Resulting in you getting lots of accessories you keep selling.

Because of this if you do not sell what you get it takes a maximum of 10 runs to gear from any particular dungeon because auto-drop does not drop weapons.

The point of the dungeon drops is to help people gear up, not farm glamour.

How is "do a dungeon 10 times to get all your job's gear for it" considered in any way a bad system?

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Originally Posted by Velthice

The point of the dungeon drops is to help people gear up, not farm glamour.

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I'd argue the system is actually really freaking good for farming glamours

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Originally Posted by Crysten

How is "do a dungeon 10 times to get all your job's gear for it" considered in any way a bad system?

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Yeah idk, I actually thought it was a pretty solid addition to FFXIV. Kudos to the dev team.

This is a troll thread, right?

Leveled up Paladin earlier, ran with level 63 dungeon chest all the way to 70 job equipment since RNG didn't give new one, and guaranteed items were mostly accessories. :p

I feel sorry to whoever was healing me, there was quite big gap in my defenses due low level chest-piece.

No.

If anything, what needs to happen is to make the loot system smarter. For instance, if a piece of gear drops that piece should not be able to drop again during that run. Duplicate drops are pure bs considering everything that could drop.

The next thing I would consider changing is adding weapons to the given item pool, but only after you've collected EVERY piece of that dungeons gear set.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Leveled up Paladin earlier, ran with level 63 dungeon chest all the way to 70 job equipment since RNG didn't give new one, and guaranteed items were mostly accessories. :p

I feel sorry to whoever was healing me, there was quite big gap in my defenses due low level chest-piece.

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From my experience even for tanks without the xp boost provided by having a level 70 already and FC+food buffs it takes a tank, healer, or DPS 10 runs to level out of a dungeon. So as long as you never sold any gear you got from the dungeon and rolled on everything of your class to get it there should of been no possible way that you leveled through the dungeons and not gotten fully geared out by it excluding weapon. The only possible way is if you were running with the aforementioned XP boosts to reduce the number of runs from 10 to 8.

I would not be surprised if you never noticed because they simply do not play the "you won the item!" sound on boss kill. It just quietly gets placed in your inventory (unless it auto deposits into armory chest based on your settings).

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

No.

If anything, what needs to happen is to make the loot system smarter. For instance, if a piece of gear drops that piece should not be able to drop again during that run. Duplicate drops are pure bs considering everything that could drop.

The next thing I would consider changing is adding weapons to the given item pool, but only after you've collected EVERY piece of that dungeons gear set.

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And what if you got duplicate class combos like say... 2x RDM, 2x SAM, 2x BRD? That is why duplicate drops can occur. Not to mention the guaranteed auto-drop was only added on top of the existing system.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

From my experience even for tanks without the xp boost provided by having a level 70 already and FC+food buffs it takes a tank, healer, or DPS 10 runs to level out of a dungeon. So as long as you never sold any gear you got from the dungeon and rolled on everything of your class to get it there should of been no possible way that you leveled through the dungeons and not gotten fully geared out by it excluding weapon. The only possible way is if you were running with the aforementioned XP boosts to reduce the number of runs from 10 to 8.

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I ran daily roulettes along side, Shisui (63) was only dungeon that I ran enough to get every single piece of equipment - then after 67 (Doma) dungeon I had every single piece from there, but chest.

Keep your drops and you will get everything before getting dupes...pretty simple concept.

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

I ran daily roulettes along side, Shisui (63) was only dungeon that I ran enough to get every single piece of equipment - then after 67 (Doma) dungeon I had every single piece from there, but chest.

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Yeah Shisui is over glamoured at the moment...so meh. Also, not dyeable so double meh (especially for STR and DEX users - ugly colors!)

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Originally Posted by Anzaman

Leveled up Paladin earlier, ran with level 63 dungeon chest all the way to 70 job equipment since RNG didn't give new one, and guaranteed items were mostly accessories. :p

I feel sorry to whoever was healing me, there was quite big gap in my defenses due low level chest-piece.

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If you had actually been concerned, you could always have purchased a chest from either the market board or the vendors in Kurogane.

the loot from the SB leveling dungoens is pretty good it makes the MSQ gear useless since the dungoen stuff is way better in looks and stats

No~!

The loot system guaranteed drop is fine the way it is. Just keep the accessories you get on hand, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

And what if you got duplicate class combos like say... 2x RDM, 2x SAM, 2x BRD? That is why duplicate drops can occur. Not to mention the guaranteed auto-drop was only added on top of the existing system.

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And while that is a possibility, it's also a rarity. Can also modify this from happening by better refining the duty finder system to lessen the likelihood of having duplicate jobs/classes in a duty.

But what about those that form their own parties and don't use the Duty Finder matching system?

Thems the breaks. Duplicate item drops are garbage. There are PLENTY of other items to be had, let another drop.

However I would restrict this restriction from raids, as you said, there's more of a chance for duplicate classes/jobs. But four man dungeons, there's no excuse. =P

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

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Then someone gets it for their alt/main job? Not every tank/healer that steps in there mains that job/role.

Or it's gil/seals/desynth fodder. One mans trash...

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Originally Posted by Crysten

I'd argue the system is actually really freaking good for farming glamours

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It is! If you keep every piece it gives you it kinda goes in a pattern with ACC. coming first. Even if you get ZERO drops, run the dungeon like 10+ times and you will have a full dungeon set.

Shoot, thanks to this system I have the healer set (Leveled all three to 70) for every dungeon in SB minus Arhat, which I sold because it is ugly as sin.

As others have mentioned, just make enough space to keep them all and you'll have the entire set in a few more runs. If anything I wish they add weapon into the loot pool of guaranteed drops as well.

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

(I know some other person maded a threat about this! But I cant find it!) As it say: Remove accessories from guaranteed loots! >_> Did a bunch of SB dungeons and mostly got stupid and useless accessories =_= wich makes the new system more garbage... No fun playing a Stormblood dungeon knowing you possibly get an accessorie, because we all know how our "rng" is! :U .. I thought they brought that new system to attract people into dungeons, or am I misstaken?

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lol what?

is this a troll post?

I've had a few times where I have gotten lotted an item I already had so it was discarded lol. That is the only issue I have with it.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

You keep selling the accessories instead of holding onto them cause auto-drop loot cannot drop what you already have in your inventory and armory chest. Resulting in you getting lots of accessories you keep selling.

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What if the others don't have it, though? I saw the healing ring twice in a row in a run last night. Same run I saw the aiming bracelet and neck. I have all of these in Armory chest so I got the message. I was a healer and we didn't have a ranged. I'm not sure this is quite working.

Personally I am all for keeping it as is. Hold onto the accessories till you have what you want then sell them. Even if they drop and you don't want them, need them and you got less for the auto-loot to dispense.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

What if the others don't have it, though? I saw the healing ring twice in a row in a run last night. Same run I saw the aiming bracelet and neck. I have all of these in Armory chest so I got the message. I was a healer and we didn't have a ranged. I'm not sure this is quite working.

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This is only for the automatic drop at the end of the dungeon not the chest. The end loot will always be something you don't already have. The chests throughout the dungeons are random.

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

Then someone gets it for their alt/main job? Not every tank/healer that steps in there mains that job/role.

Or it's gil/seals/desynth fodder. One mans trash...

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Same can be said for any other piece of gear that drops that doesn't fit the current party consistency. However, the same piece; in four man content, should not drop more than once per run. There's plenty of other gear that could drop.

Fending, Maiming, Striking, Scouting, Aiming, Casting, and Healing that consist of the left side of equipment (6 x 7 = 42) plus the right side accessories (5 x 4 = 20) and then weapons (1 x 15 = 15) so a total of 77 potential items. I really don't understand why people feel duplicates are fine when a dungeons loot pool is that large. >.>

I disagree, and prefer this loot system.

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Originally Posted by Crysten

How is "do a dungeon 10 times to get all your job's gear for it" considered in any way a bad system?

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Because by the time you ran it 10 times you'll be 4 or 5 levels higher than all the loot you just got...

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Because by the time you ran it 10 times you'll be 4 or 5 levels higher than all the loot you just got...

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Well, if its for glamour, then it really doesnt matter lol

Players: we want gear we can use
SE: ok we will make sure you can always get one piece of gear
players:....

some other players: WE DONT LIKE
SE: ;^;

No lets keep them in there. It was simply done for players to gear up faster and they are part of the gear. And it also helps if you want to go for glamour. Just roll on your jobs gear through the whole dungeon and keep it with you later. Thus you will probably have the glamour item way faster with that system than without it. And I am saying this even though I needed to run the second dungeon countless of times as a DD and a healer to just get the body part and the trousers..(funny it was the last item that I got with both jobs) but without this I might have still be farming this dungeon to get them...

So it might take longer with them in the pool but at the same time without the feature you might just go into there endlessly. At least there is only a certain amount of runs that you need to do to have your drop..and if you are lucky you might even get it after one or two runs at the end.

I'm surprised I didn't see anyone mentioned the (perhaps?) one flaw in the current system: You get your freebie loot right as the last boss dies, so there is a chance you will get the same drop from the final chest.

And I don't really mean this in the way people are probably going to expect I am(Like "hey, make it so it can't be the same thing cause I want maor loots!" yea, no). If it is the same loot it's kind of confusing because unless you are checking your chat log immediately or your bag to see what you got, you might not know, then suddenly the loot window opens from the chest and you see some desired item, only to roll on it and find you aren't able. The text will tell you that you have it already of course, and the immediate thought is like "What, no I don't have that! I want it!".... Only to realize later that it's in your bag and that it was your freebie loot.....and duh! ok, I have that.

Just a minor annoyance, not really a compliant. It's not like they should prevent them from being the same loot or anything, just more like maybe make it a bit more transparent what you get for your freebie so you don't think you are being trolled by the loot window.

Wouldn't the UI window show you a qty of 1 when you try rolling for it though?

What they should do, is add weapons too it, my second job leveled was WHM, and I didn't get a new cane till the 67 dungeon right as I hit 69,

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Because by the time you ran it 10 times you'll be 4 or 5 levels higher than all the loot you just got...

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Having already leveled SAM to 70, with FC level 3 In the Heat of Battle, and food I have a base +75% XP per kill. Not including chain kill bonus.

It takes me 9 runs to go up 2 levels. Since I also roll on loot for other classes this means that in general I actually am geared out besides weapon before I am even done leveling out of the dungeon.

So no, by the time you have run it 10 times you will be done with the dungeon if you do not have XP boosts.

My threat is more like a feedback/command, since I cant find the other threat some1 else maded :I

I got really frustrated and angry always getting a damn pity reward accessorie each time I finished a dungeon, chests full of gears for all other party members exept me... <-<

I DISlike this game there so called "rng" =_=

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

My threat is more like a feedback/command, since I cant find the other threat some1 else maded :I

I got really frustrated and angry always getting a damn pity reward accessorie each time I finished a dungeon, chests full of gears for all other party members exept me... <-<

I DISlike this game there so called "rng" =_=

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To be fair there are people out there who might want the accessories for glamour as well. RNG has always been a pain so...

Still wish they can add the weapon into the pool as well. :/

Well I agree that it still is bad to see all the gear for other job drops and barely anything for yourself. But accessories is also necessary to gear yourself up and if its your main job you will get lots of good left side gear from doing MSQs. Also if you run this dungeon to gear up you will eventually be completely geared, while before that you might have done this for nothing.