1.20 made me not want to pay

i main job a conjurer, this patch has made the conjurer and thaumaturge jobs stupid and have no structure in it at all anymore.
almost all my spells are gone, which isnt that big of a deal but for some reason the devs thought it was a good idea to split up the elemental spells between the 2 mage jobs? that doesnt make sense. i thought they wanted to have more class uniqueness in this patch. all i see is that both mage jobs are going to be severely ruined in this game and thats the plan.

also the biggest thing that annoys me is that some of the elemental spells are AOE while others arent? thats stupid, that just forces me to be limited to only a certain amount of spells i can use. now i can almost never use fire and aero unless i want to get destroyed by multiple monsters, but stone, thunder, and blizzard are fine? theres just no structure in it anymore, whats the design choice behind that?
how did you guys seriously sit down and say this is a good idea?

if your going to have elemental spells, make them all the same with maybe there own unique side effect like aero has, or stonera has, but dont make it AOE on some and not on others. and make one job learn them all, since thaumaturge is gonna be the BLM just give all the elemental spells to them, at least it makes more sense.
and what happend to the AOE cure, why can i only learn that at 46? you guys dont think thats alittle high?
and again what was the design choice behind not being able to unequip actions from your job? there are plenty of actions i have that i dont care for and dont want equiped but now i have to toss them in the corner of my third action bar because i dont want to use them, why should i have to do this?

i have been behind you guys since the beginning, in full support of what you've been doing and how you've been improving the game based on what the comunity wants, but you just keep making very poor decisions recently and i really dont understand why. just like how you guys are going to ruin the summoner job. if you dont summon primals, what are you supposed to summon?? elementals? sorry not interested. why would i care that i can summon the same character model with a color texture variation. and if its some monster that we fight all the time, that makes it even worse. might as well make it a beastmaster.

i just dont understand how you can belittle an iconic FF job like that. it would make sense if a small team of SUMMONERS had to get together to summon a primal but not just random jobs can get together to summon one. thats how i know you are going to ruin the one job i have been waiting for since the beginning and now i know mages are going to go down the drain too, unless you tell me otherwise, i see no reason to stay.
which is highly disapointing because i had high hopes for this game

i would love to hear back, because after all the posts i've made about specific issues i have never herd back from the devs, or herd that what i was saying has even reached the devs.

Completely agree. I couldn't said it better without the use of bad language! This patch finished with any will i had of subscribing.

It's like i said them...now they have 3 weeks to fix this shit with the 1.20 a/b before the game officially die. SWTOR comes in one week, billing in 3...so i do expect it to actually start suffering terribly in one week and die in 3 unless the proper countermeasures are taken...which includes, AT LEAST, the release of jobs now in 1.20a so we can see the real balance planned to classes.

"AH" cannot save the game anymore and IMO neither jobs can...but it's worth trying. But the thing is that FFXIV was plenty of poor decisions, from company decisions to dev team decisions...it was horrid in every single aspect. If the bad release was enough to have Tanaka stepping back, then it's a good time for the next one doing the same...or, like i've been nearly begging already for a few months, actually bringing back the original FFXIV as a spin-off game. In a shared effort they can actually support each other and, over time, turn into something better than leaving only of of them could ever been because they target a completely different playerbase.

The only thing i see here is "i didnt read forum, notes or anything for 3 months, this is a BIG surprise to me!" Well, almost all knew it was gonna happen. Dont whine about old stuff

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Completely agree. I couldn't said it better without the use of bad language! This patch finished with any will i had of subscribing.

It's like i said them...now they have 3 weeks to fix this shit with the 1.20 a/b before the game officially die. SWTOR comes in one week, billing in 3...so i do expect it to actually start suffering terribly in one week and die in 3 unless the proper countermeasures are taken...which includes, AT LEAST, the release of jobs now in 1.20a so we can see the real balance planned to classes.

"AH" cannot save the game anymore and IMO neither jobs can...but it's worth trying. But the thing is that FFXIV was plenty of poor decisions, from company decisions to dev team decisions...it was horrid in every single aspect. If the bad release was enough to have Tanaka stepping back, then it's a good time for the next one doing the same...or, like i've been nearly begging already for a few months, actually bringing back the original FFXIV as a spin-off game. In a shared effort they can actually support each other and, over time, turn into something better than leaving only of of them could ever been because they target a completely different playerbase.

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im not really against everything, i do like alot of things they do but there are just some things that they make bad decisions with that just ruin everything, and it all seems to revolve around the mage jobs. i just dont understand how there arent any posts about this

Oh, about actions, it is so easy taking em of the bar, that i did it automatically. Its the same thing as before patch ...

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The only thing i see here is "i didnt read forum, notes or anything for 3 months, this is a BIG surprise to me!" Well, almost all knew it was gonna happen. Dont whine about old stuff

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i read it, but no one can fully tell how a feature is going to be unless you play it yourself, and now that the patch has come out, i played it and hated it. so feedback for them

Ah, its maaaaany posts, but its a while since last time. Btw try maje a new thread with a better title. Write both what you like and what you dont like, give se feedback. Yeah, they read this forum :)

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Oh, about actions, it is so easy taking em of the bar, that i did it automatically. Its the same thing as before patch ...

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thats cool, would you mind telling me how? kuz everytime i try i get the message "actions of your current class cannot be removed"

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Ah, its maaaaany posts, but its a while since last time. Btw try maje a new thread with a better title. Write both what you like and what you dont like, give se feedback. Yeah, they read this forum :)

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got a link? ill help in any way that will help the jobs. so i can continue to support the game, but if my only job is ruined there isnt much hope for me staying

I must agree. this was way too much all at once and it is not what i signed up for when we were asked about major changes that would completely restructure the game.
1.20 seems to have taken away from each class that which made the class good. Everything we worked hard to achieve is now either removed from the game or just given as we level, things seem to be randomly placed on the level to unlock and it no longer feels like we are working toward a goal. The idea that the spell "water" is no longer in existence is unsettling.
I have been excited with each patch update and have been pleased with the changes until now. the only thing that even remotely did not make me happy was when auto attack was introduced, i thought it was done poorly. i wanted auto attack so that i could keep attacking while setting up a skillchain. instead we kinda lost skillchains and also lost the ability to use our purchased guild skills in rapid succession. that was ok, i lived with it and rapidly adapted. This is completely different and makes me not want to play. it is not fun anymore. it was difficult when i had to fight the UI, but it didnt ruin the game. 1.20 ruins the game.


We have lost what made this game so amazingly customizable, the ability to use almost any skill from any other class. now we get a total of 15 skills that are auto set and a few very specific skills from other classes.

I would rather have the initial release, with all of the bugs and problems that were not corrected from the beta than play this. My wife already has determined she will not even play the game, much less pay, unless this is reverted. I know that i will not be buying any more crysta until this is changed, which means 2 months of paid subscription for me.

Please SE, use this as a test and decide that we can have skills again. you added some good features, but without the game being fun and exciting, i will not use those features.

As much as I support FF in their decisions too, I have to agree. This time it's just harder to enjoy FF while being forced to use a certain element to case AOE and such..I've had to use Fire on fire-resistant enemies a lot already just because it's my only good AOE right now >.>

I know they're trying to make THM's black mages and all, but I don't want elemental spells, I felt awesome just having light and dark spells..they felt badass for some reason. And now they're gone ;_;

As for the summoner thing, yeah, having EVERY job able to summon something is pretty lame.. and disappointing. I was hoping to have to work at being a powerful summoner, but I guess that won't happen.

The thread is borderline qq because it lacks caps lock.

anyways allow me to enlighten this thread.

In Final Fantasy II, and III, White Magic consist of many spells such as Aero and Aeroga. Stoneskin can be considered as earth, wind can also be considered for blink, and water potency effects cure in ffxiv. In addition, some final fantasy titles did not have the spell shell. white mage in past final fantasy titles also had confuse, mini and toad.

The more you know.

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The thread is borderline qq because it lacks caps lock.

anyways allow me to enlighten this thread.

In Final Fantasy II, and III, White Magic consist of many spells such as Aero and Aeroga. Stoneskin can be considered as earth, wind can also be considered for blink, and water potency effects cure in ffxiv. In addition, some final fantasy titles did not have the spell shell. white mage in past final fantasy titles also had confuse, mini and toad.

The more you know.

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its not an issue of who learns the spells, its an issue that who learns the spells is split up, no one job learns all the elemental spells. and the fact that to do a combo like stone->stonera, im required to do a non AOE then AOE spell, when most times i cant cast an AOE spell unless i want to die. the structure of non AOE vs AOE is not balanced at all anymore it doesnt make sense.
and since spells like protect have an AOE effect without a description of AOE and other spells like cure have a despcription of AOE it makes it very confusion as to how to plan buffing and healing on an AOE standpoint.
all im saying is the old system of spells was better, select AOE upon casting, or have seperate AOE spells alongside regular spells, but this way just makes no sense

it wold be hard to solo as mage when you only obtain spells that half the mobs are weak to. I like the thm dark/light the way it was.

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it wold be hard to solo as mage when you only obtain spells that half the mobs are weak to. I like the thm dark/light the way it was.

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that way worked much better also. and i can see the devs are trying to make class uniqueness but if they really wanted to do that, imo i would have gave all elemental spells to THM since they plan for that to be the BLM, and give all light and dark spells to the CON. and either have AOE selection on cast or have a cure (Non AOE) and a cura (AOE) system for all spells that could AOE

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its not an issue of who learns the spells, its an issue that who learns the spells is split up, no one job learns all the elemental spells. and the fact that to do a combo like stone->stonera, im required to do a non AOE then AOE spell, when most times i cant cast an AOE spell unless i want to die. the structure of non AOE vs AOE is not balanced at all anymore it doesnt make sense.
and since spells like protect have an AOE effect without a description of AOE and other spells like cure have a despcription of AOE it makes it very confusion as to how to plan buffing and healing on an AOE standpoint.
all im saying is the old system of spells was better, select AOE upon casting, or have seperate AOE spells alongside regular spells, but this way just makes no sense

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I understand the AOE issue but, I disagree with your opinion about giving THM (a class) & BLM (job) all elemental magic. The example I gave in my first post was factual evidence for that. I want to see how this all works out together with the implementation of Jobs.

I have no doubt in my mind that jobs will have the missing spells for single target etc. (being optimistic)

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it wold be hard to solo as mage when you only obtain spells that half the mobs are weak to. I like the thm dark/light the way it was.

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I agree..THM's and CON's seemed to have their niches established better when only one had elemental spells, and the other had cool light/dark, life/death spells. It helped defined their backstories better as well, IMO