Ninja vs Samurai vs Monk ?

Greetings everyone. I am trying to decide which job to get to 70 :P Currently I have all these Jobs at 58-60. I am mostly interested to know how they compare in AoE damage since I 90% play dungeons and would like to have good aoe damage on trash pulls!

I find Ninja and Samurai equal fun to play, well ninja little more :P For Monk I really cannot decide if I like or not... on one hand I like the theme of the class, but it is much more dependant on positionals than other 2 that make it little tiresom and actually more difficult for me to play good.

So I would pick Monk only if its AoE damage is significantly higher than Ninja/Samurai... What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Greetings everyone. I am trying to decide which job to get to 70 :P Currently I have all these Jobs at 58-60. I am mostly interested to know how they compare in AoE damage since I 90% play dungeons and would like to have good aoe damage on trash pulls!

I find Ninja and Samurai equal fun to play, well ninja little more :P For Monk I really cannot decide if I like or not... on one hand I like the theme of the class, but it is much more dependant on positionals than other 2 that make it little tiresom and actually more difficult for me to play good.

So I would pick Monk only if its AoE damage is significantly higher than Ninja/Samurai... What do you think?

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In dungeon content SAM is by far the strongest.

Monk's aoe is pretty bursty, but doesn't have a very high sustained. Elixir Field + Howling Fist + Rockbreaker every 3 GCDs is all you have. Of course you can always burn perfect balance and spam rockbreaker, but then your opener is most likely screwed on the next boss. Arm of the destroyer is also there btw... but the damage it does for the TP it costs is so godawful that using it makes me cry.

Samurai's single target beats Monk and Ninja's single target assuming equal skill, with Monk and Ninja being about equal. Samurai's AOE is also significantly stronger in smaller and Medium sized packs of Mobs, as most of its AOE actions scale down with more targets. Monk has great AOE that isn't subject to dropoff, so there's likely a point where it exceeds Samurai in AOE if a pull is massive enough, it's other main benefit is how sustainable it's AOE rotation is, as Monk has two TP recovery skills allowing for Almost indefinite Rockbreaker usage compared to Samurai which runs dry fairly quickly in my own experience.

I don't know enough about Ninja AOE to say more than "it has a frog now".

thanks for answering.. to be honest was hoping ninja to win but samurai is also fun to play hehe :P

Samurai. Trust me.

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Originally Posted by SuperNoob

Samurai. Trust me.

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hehe I will :P

Ninja AoE is probably the best out of any of any of the melee jobs. Frog, Doton, Katon, Kassatsu and Ten Chi Jin allows for so much damage. Befriend the AST for Arrow cards and you'll have so much fun, I know I do.

Single target dps is also amazing and once the best in slot gear is released, we'll have an understanding of which dps is performing the best during raids because having our main stats is half of it.

Depends on the dungeon, fight, raid, whatever. I usually out damage a fellow Sam, but that just may be be on my ish.

Just flip a coin for nin and Sam. They're all very pretty DPS.

Samurai hands down is the best out of all the DPS classes right now IMO. Has excellent single target DPS and FIVE aoe skills in its rotation so you do massive damage there as well. Overall, it just hits like a truck and its rotation is very simple and easy to manage. As for positionals SAM only have two but if you don't get it right you don't lose any damage. You just don't gain a slight extra amount of Kenki... which is no biggie because its easy to gain.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

I don't know enough about Ninja AOE to say more than "it has a frog now".

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Ninja AOE isn't terrible. you can rip things 2 shreds very quickly with death blossom double katon with kassastsu and the hellfrog medium.

Doton I tend not to use because either A. the tank is moving the mobs around far to much. or B. things are dead before doton hits full damage. though if you wanted to you could tcj fuma katon doton and then kassatsu another katon

the other advantage is none of a ninjas aoes scale down on larger pulls unlike samurias.

Ninja is an absolute joy to play in dungeons. Hide and ninki are a godsend for this type of content. Hide allows you to start each pack with a free doton. You can then follow this up with katon, Kassatsu katon, and death blossom for days. Ninki is often usable multiple times on each pull, and TCJ has to be in the running for strongest AOE in the game.

Samurai and monk also have fine AOE so I don't think you'll be disappointed either way, though I would lean towards Sam and Nin outclassing Mnk AOE currently. Sam in particular has more of an AOE rotation which is nice, rather than spamming death blossom as Nin are forced to do between ninjutsus and ninki. But as I said, I'm loving 70 Nin in dungeons... and in general, really. Sam and Nin are both in a very good spot, and Mnk is fine too.

Hey.

It depends on many things. Peoples saying sam sam sam are wrong. Yes samurai is the best dps shown on ACT, but the REAL BEST DPS is by far Ninja if you cumulate his support to the team with TA and his personnal DPS.

On AoE Monk have a good burst but not really good in constant DPS.
Samurai have a super great AoE burst, the best AoE burst in the game, but cost really much PT
Ninja have a good burst, better than monk, he can be better than Sam opn AoE if the fight take much time cause his aoe cost almost nothing.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

Samurai hands down is the best out of all the DPS classes right now IMO. Has excellent single target DPS and FIVE aoe skills in its rotation so you do massive damage there as well. Overall, it just hits like a truck and its rotation is very simple and easy to manage. As for positionals SAM only have two but if you don't get it right you don't lose any damage. You just don't gain a slight extra amount of Kenki... which is no biggie because its easy to gain.

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I wouldn't say losing Kenki is no big deal. It takes 25 Kenki for a 300 potency Shiten. Losing 5 Kenki from positionals means you're losing out on 1/5th of that, so it's equal to a 60 potency loss, which is pretty big.

Taking your opening statement into proper consideration, I'm sure you would get more enjoyment from ninja in a purely dungeon setting, given time. Laflama_Blanca is spot on in the assessment regarding the utility of hide with ninjitsu, it just lifts ninja to a whole new level of fun. Feels great getting three rotations of ninjutsu out in a matter of seconds. It has much more diversity in terms of what it brings to the 'fun' table as far as AOE is concerned, and brings a lot of style with it. Double Katon's are always juicy to look at and Death Blossom was given a tasty buff.

Also, too many players forget how huge Trick Attack is and what it brings to group DPS - which many would agree far outweighs the extra few hundred DPS a Samurai can output.

You also will never again struggle with TP on a ninja.

Have yet to level MNK and SAM but I have a fair amount of experience MNKing my life away in duns at 60 before SB.
They were pretty good and none of its AoE capabilities got really affected by SB.
2 TP recovery skills, all buffs on rotation, 2 AoE oGCDs, can build up on the run just fine to be at max power once the Tank stops.

SAM I've only used it a bit, but from what I collected its AoE is pretty bursty but quite expensive, just like DRG... not a fan of that :/
The bigger the mob the less efficient the damage, and the TP costs makes for a very short sustain. So yea you can quite burn the one mob, but what if there is another one? You'll be pretty dry... I admit I need to try it myself for it, but it doesn't look that amazing on paper...

NIN is what I have at 70. They were fun before SB for mob making, and they are only better now in SB. For one you have no real reason to wait for the Tank to stop, as you can Shadewalker the blame onto them, you can Katon and Death Blossom away on the run, and even Smoke Bomb invite your DPS companion onto the fun.
Once at the stop yea you can have up to 3 Katons, 1 normal, 1 kassatsu and 1 TCJ, which of course allows for a double damage Doton (or a Suiton for TAing one target). and if things are still alive Froggy is your friend.

You're looking for AOE dmg? I would honestly recommend going to play a summoner as they're kings of AoE at the moment and also pretty close to top dps in the game.

I am, personally, excited to get ninja up to 70 and play around with the new abilities. Got it up to 60, finally, and that in itself has been pretty fun for me. I had gotten SAM to 65 so far and while I find it aesthetically pleasing and fun in its own right, I just have that much more fun on ninja. I might level monk eventually too, but the one person I play with the most often mains that so I've been hesitant. :-P