War opener?

Tomahawk, eye combo, infuriate,upheaval, IB, BB combo, path combo, path combo, eye combo.
Defiance, BB combo, Path combo,berserk, inner release, BB combo, fell cleave dream?
Thinking infuriate should be back up for the dream.

Yea that seems too perfect world and long

Heavy Swing->(infuriate ogcd)maim->(Thrill of Battle ogcd)SE->HS

(berserk ogcd)maim->(IR ogcd)path->(Onslaught ogcd)HS->(Upheaval ogcd)maim->FC->path->(Onslaught when off CD)FCx3 (end berserk at 0 Beast Gauge)

HS->maim->SE->HS->Maim->(infuriate ogcd)path->HS->(upheaval ogcd)maim->FC->Path->BB combo->SE combo

(berserk ogcd) HS->FC->maim->path->HS->(upheaval ogcd)->maim->path->FC->(infuriate ogcd)FC (you leave berserk with 40 beast)

SE Combo->SP Combo->(Upheaval ogcd)Path Combo->FC->Path Combo->SE Combo

(berserk ogcd) Heavy Swing->(inner release ogcd)FC->(Onslaught ogcd)maim->(Thrill of Battle ogcd)Path->(upheaval ogcd)FC->FC->(infuriate ogcd)FC->(onslaught when off cd)FCx2 (end berserk at 0 beast gauge)

Thanks a lot!
It's crazy complicated but definitely better than sitting on berserk/infuriate for 30 sec to build a full gauge a do hexaFC

If I'm tanking I do:

Overpower (more enmity than Tomahawk) -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Onslaught -> Skull Sunder -> Butcher's Block -> Upheaval
Switch to Deliverance + Infuriate
Path Combo -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Inner Release + Berserk
Fell Cleave -> Maim -> Path -> Upheaval
Fell Cleave x 3
Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Onslaught before IR ends
Back to Defiance (or not, up to you/your healers/your agro)

If I'm not tanking:

Heavy Swing + Infuriate -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Upheaval -> Maim -> Onslaught -> Path
Butcher's Block Combo -> Path Combo -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> IR + Berserk -> Fell Cleave -> Maim -> Path -> Upheaval
Fell Cleave x 3
Infuriate
Fell Cleave x 2

Open to suggestions. c:

For OT openers 4xcleave > 6xcleave. Just takes too long to build the rage and delays zerk and IR too long.
HS - Infuriate - Maim - eye
HS - maim - path
HS - Zerk/IR - FC - upheaval - FC - maim - path - FC - FC

This helps a lot as I was put off playing/leveing up WAR Tank because I did not know the optimal rotation set. Thanks whoever put this up.

Edited my post above slightly to change when to use FC after the 2nd berserk window so that you FC at max gauge for a better chance at a crit. Otherwise I believe this is the best opener. I'm pulling numbers around 3kdps on lakshmi and susano with this opener and my strategies for maintaining berserks after it. Still makes me wonder why it's so doom and gloom around here saying War is dead.

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Originally Posted by Taihaku

Still makes me wonder why it's so doom and gloom around here saying War is dead.

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Because people are waiting around for people like you to figure it out for them.

While I don’t understand people who say Warriors suck now, I do understand where they’re coming from with regards to certain aspects. For instance, switching from tank stance so that you can deal some extra damage feels pretty crappy at the moment. ESPECIALLY when PLD and DRK can pull it off a lot smoother. This is getting reflected by people who say switching stances should have lesser penalties to the Beast Gauge.

Onslaught isn’t totally useless, but it is a waste of Beast Gauge and the only reason I include it in my rotation is because I kept ending up with some extra before starting to Fell Cleave. This would be easier to swallow if the other two tanks didn’t get awesome and useful new skills.

Likewise, Shake It Off is USELESS! Same as Onslaught, it feels unfair seeing as how the other two tanks received something useful instead of this.

Those are really the only real complaints people are having. People who are crying about damage just need to adapt. Some people will say that because Warriors don’t have as much utility, that they should be dealing the most damage. I don’t feel that’s too much of an issue, unless it turns out their damage is WAY lower than the other tanks.

BTW, I’ve yet to see myself outdamaged in Susano/Lakshmi by either PLD or DRK. I’m just going based off of what people are saying the other two tanks can do.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

Likewise, Shake It Off is USELESS! Same as Onslaught, it feels unfair seeing as how the other two tanks received something useful instead of this.

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Shake It Off isn't completely useless...but at the moment it definitely feels like it is. We've yet to see raid content so hopefully it could provide some advantage to the group (like healer not needing to slot Esuna) I usually don't consider 4man and world content when critiquing abilities, but even in that content Shake It Off can be useful but feels kind of useless because it only really helps if I made a mistake and get hit by something. I don't want an ability that is only rarely useful when I make a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Felorr

Shake It Off isn't completely useless...but at the moment it definitely feels like it is. We've yet to see raid content so hopefully it could provide some advantage to the group (like healer not needing to slot Esuna) I usually don't consider 4man and world content when critiquing abilities, but even in that content Shake It Off can be useful but feels kind of useless because it only really helps if I made a mistake and get hit by something. I don't want an ability that is only rarely useful when I make a mistake.

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Not completely useless? Give me a situation where it does anything during trials or boss fights. From what I've noticed, it doesn't remove ANYTHING that isn't applied by trash. IT DOESN'T EVEN REMOVE S RANK MONSTER DEBUFFS!!! Like... come ooonnnnn!!!

If they at least made it ACTUALLY remove things like Paralysis, Damage-Down debuff, Vulnerability stacks, etc., it would actually be useful. You might never mess up, but sometimes you get these things as a result from a party member screwing up. OF COURSE, you shouldn't be able to break free from Zurvan's Demon's Claw stun, or move during Time Stasis. And things like Susano's slashing debuff shouldn't be removed as well or else you wouldn't even have to tank swap... OR SHOULD IT?!

Shake it off IS useless. It can only remove debuffs that could be otherwise esuna'd. So it will never be usefull in a raid/trial because it will never be able to remove an important debuff

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Originally Posted by Taihaku

EStill makes me wonder why it's so doom and gloom around here saying War is dead.

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Well, if you have to stance dance at all in that crazy long rotation it completely breaks the timing of everything, and loss them deeps from lost or poorly utilized gauge.

I find I have gloom over how little opportunities I have to actually do a even somewhat optimized rotation/opener in 4 man content. It is not that it matters really or not in that content, it is that it let me practice this, in that content (and then blowing it up was always fun to see). But that is not really the case anymore. That and the weirdness in that are best burst does not come to at the earliest 135 seconds or so into a fight.

Think 3k is still at or somewhat behind pally, if you factor them receiving slashing de-buff.

The death of WAR is not coming 100% from a lack of place in a meta we have no idea about, it is coming from what many are considering a poor QoL play style now.

U wanna use infuriate after the fc to maximize the infuriate trait.

So after getting 100 rage on stormseye combo,

Hs, IR, Berserk, Fc, upheaval, infuriate, fc, maim, stormspath, fc x 4

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

If I'm tanking I do:

Overpower (more enmity than Tomahawk) -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Onslaught -> Skull Sunder -> Butcher's Block -> Upheaval
Switch to Deliverance + Infuriate
Path Combo -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Inner Release + Berserk
Fell Cleave -> Maim -> Path -> Upheaval
Fell Cleave x 3
Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Onslaught before IR ends
Back to Defiance (or not, up to you/your healers/your agro)

If I'm not tanking:

Heavy Swing + Infuriate -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Upheaval -> Maim -> Onslaught -> Path
Butcher's Block Combo -> Path Combo -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> IR + Berserk -> Fell Cleave -> Maim -> Path -> Upheaval
Fell Cleave x 3
Infuriate
Fell Cleave x 2

Open to suggestions. c:

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See my reply above. Use infuriate after first fc to maximize infuriate trait.

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

If I'm tanking I do:

Overpower (more enmity than Tomahawk) -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Onslaught -> Skull Sunder -> Butcher's Block -> Upheaval
Switch to Deliverance + Infuriate
Path Combo -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Inner Release + Berserk
Fell Cleave -> Maim -> Path -> Upheaval
Fell Cleave x 3
Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Onslaught before IR ends
Back to Defiance (or not, up to you/your healers/your agro)

If I'm not tanking:

Heavy Swing + Infuriate -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Upheaval -> Maim -> Onslaught -> Path
Butcher's Block Combo -> Path Combo -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> IR + Berserk -> Fell Cleave -> Maim -> Path -> Upheaval
Fell Cleave x 3
Infuriate
Fell Cleave x 2

Open to suggestions. c:

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U wanna use infuriate after the FIRST fc to maximize the infuriate trait.

So after getting 100 rage on stormseye combo, do

Hs, IR, Berserk, Fc,

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

If I'm tanking I do:

Overpower (more enmity than Tomahawk) -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Onslaught -> Skull Sunder -> Butcher's Block -> Upheaval
Switch to Deliverance + Infuriate
Path Combo -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Inner Release + Berserk
Fell Cleave -> Maim -> Path -> Upheaval
Fell Cleave x 3
Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Onslaught before IR ends
Back to Defiance (or not, up to you/your healers/your agro)

If I'm not tanking:

Heavy Swing + Infuriate -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> Upheaval -> Maim -> Onslaught -> Path
Butcher's Block Combo -> Path Combo -> Eye Combo
Heavy Swing -> IR + Berserk -> Fell Cleave -> Maim -> Path -> Upheaval
Fell Cleave x 3
Infuriate
Fell Cleave x 2

Open to suggestions. c:

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U wanna use infuriate after the FIRST fc to maximize the infuriate trait.

So after getting 100 rage on stormseye combo, do

Hs, IR, Berserk, Fc, upheaval, infuriate, fc, maim, stormspath, fc x 4

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

U wanna use infuriate after the FIRST fc to maximize the infuriate trait.

So after getting 100 rage on stormseye combo, do

Hs, IR, Berserk, Fc, upheaval, infuriate, fc, maim, stormspath, fc x 4

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I can't do that. After the first Fell Cleave with Inner Release, you're down to 55 (Inner Release costs 20, minus 25 from the Fell Cleave). Upheaval is on cooldown, so I can't use it there either. I must wait after Storm's Path to use it. Plus, Infuriate is on cooldown too until after the 4th Fell Cleave.

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Originally Posted by P4X0R10N

U wanna use infuriate after the fc to maximize the infuriate trait.

So after getting 100 rage on stormseye combo,

Hs, IR, Berserk, Fc, upheaval, infuriate, fc, maim, stormspath, fc x 4

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lol no, you want to infuriate after your first HS and put it on cd immediately. The rotation posted by tahaiku on the first page is correct. Not only do you waste infuriate but also berserk and IR time by trying to build up to 100 BG first then doing your combo, as well as missing trick attack window. Using it right away it will come off cd sooner than you trying to save it up for 100 BG then popping it. Stop spreading bad information

If the boss has a facepull range (unlike a9s, for example, where you can start with heavy swing without delay), it might be better to tomahawk > infuriate before your first heavy swing.

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Originally Posted by Taihaku

Heavy Swing->(infuriate ogcd)maim->(Thrill of Battle ogcd)SE->HS

(berserk ogcd)maim->(IR ogcd)path->(Upheaval ogcd)HS->maim->path->FCx4 (end berserk at 0 Beast Gauge)

HS->maim->SE->HS->Maim->(infuriate ogcd)path->HS->(upheaval ogcd)maim->FC->Path->BB combo->SE combo

(berserk ogcd) HS->FC->maim->path->HS->(upheaval ogcd)->maim->path->FC->(infuriate ogcd)FC (you leave berserk with 40 beast)

SE Combo->SP Combo->(Upheaval ogcd)Path Combo->FC->Path Combo->SE Combo

(berserk ogcd) Heavy Swing->(inner release ogcd)FC->(Thrill of Battle ogcd)maim->Path->(upheaval ogcd)FC->(infuriate ogcd)FC->FCx3 (end berserk at 0 beast gauge)

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This is really awesome, hadn't even thought about straying from the 6 FC at outset. Does it fall into a clean rotation after this?

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Originally Posted by Taihaku

Heavy Swing->(infuriate ogcd)maim->(Thrill of Battle ogcd)SE->HS

(berserk ogcd)maim->(IR ogcd)path->(Upheaval ogcd)HS->maim->path->FCx4 (end berserk at 0 Beast Gauge)

HS->maim->SE->HS->Maim->(infuriate ogcd)path->HS->(upheaval ogcd)maim->FC->Path->BB combo->SE combo

(berserk ogcd) HS->FC->maim->path->HS->(upheaval ogcd)->maim->path->FC->(infuriate ogcd)FC (you leave berserk with 40 beast)

SE Combo->SP Combo->(Upheaval ogcd)Path Combo->FC->Path Combo->SE Combo

(berserk ogcd) Heavy Swing->(inner release ogcd)FC->(Thrill of Battle ogcd)maim->Path->(upheaval ogcd)FC->(infuriate ogcd)FC->FCx3 (end berserk at 0 beast gauge)

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Yea the 6 FC is a DPS loss. this has been the superior rotation for me cause the timing is just that good.

I organized that rotation a bit for myself and thought i'd share.

HS (infuriate) > maim (thrill) > eye >
HS (berserk) > maim (inner rel) > path (upheaval) >
HS > maim > path > FC > FC > FC > FC >

HS > maim > eye >
HS > maim (infuriate) > path >
HS (upheaval) > maim > FC > path >

HS > SS > BB >
HS > maim > eye (berserk) >
HS > FC > maim > path >

HS (upheaval) > maim > path > FC (infuriate) > FC >
HS > maim > eye >
HS > maim > path > FC >

HS > maim > path >
HS > maim > eye (berserk) >
HS (inner rel) > FC (thrill) > maim > path (upheaval) > FC (infuriate) > FC > FC > FC > FC

Here it is visually, but I didn't really find it helpful. http://ffxivrotations.com/umr

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Originally Posted by FreyjaAshe

This is really awesome, hadn't even thought about straying from the 6 FC at outset. Does it fall into a clean rotation after this?

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6 fell cleave is a dps loss assuming you have a min using trick on the 5th gcd. But this particular rotation is still not in any way optimal.

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Originally Posted by Dizzy_Derp

6 fell cleave is a dps loss assuming you have a min using trick on the 5th gcd. But this particular rotation is still not in any way optimal.

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Has anyone determined what's truly optimal yet? Trying to avoid learning the job incorrectly at 70,my feel for it has been "priority" over "rotation" but especially playing on PS4 with no way to consistently compare numbers I'm at a loss.

I'm waiting until after .05 before i start optimizing my warrior personally.