Please help me understand pf

Why are people doing "mount farm lootmaster join order"? This is dumb as hell, why would someone fill the team knowing the mount has less than 2% drop rate and thus farming for nothing? How could you also expect 8 mount drop without ragequitters or hiden ragequitters with false excuses?
I need to put some logic here this is disturbing me

No idea, and the people who make the pt are just going to get their mount and bail lol joining those pts is stupid, but if people are gonna fall for it I guess its an easy way to get a guaranteed mount

PF is easy to understand, people who join those are suckers. It's impossible to understand suckers. Just don't be one.

There's a reason you see them in the PF a lot. They don't fill up, because thankfully most people *aren't* that stupid.

TBH I see lootmaster parties as scams anyway. Don't join em.

But there's always the inexperienced and naive that some people will take advantage of...

Those groups are supposed to sbe 24/7 up and then it doesnt matter if the one who gets the drop leaves.

If No#1 gets dog and leaves everybody gets a place forward and a new 8th joins.
Someone leaves, someone new comes, this doesn't affect your position in a bad way.

It is no scam if the one who gets the pony leaves, as long as it was his turn.
You just don't get the system. They're not ment to consist of the same 8 people until everbody has their loot...


I'm not saying that I would use this system, but for some people it works.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

Those groups are supposed to sbe 24/7 up and then it doesnt matter if the one who gets the drop leaves.

If No#1 gets dog and leaves everybody gets a place forward and a new 8th joins.
Someone leaves, someone new comes, this doesn't affect your position in a bad way.

It is no scam if the one who gets the pony leaves, as long as it was his turn.
You just don't get the system. They're not ment to consist of the same 8 people until everbody has their loot...


I'm not saying that I would use this system, but for some people it works.

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I see your point but I don't know any team that would keep going once someone leave lol

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

It is no scam if the one who gets the pony leaves, as long as it was his turn.

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Which basically means you're farming a 2% drop for the leader of the party, who will probably leave when he has it, if you see it drop at all.

I suppose, like the lottery, you could see it as a math tax instead of a scam.

The biggest incentive to join this groups is to avoid the myriad of terrible EX groups in PF that claim to be "clear" groups that repeatedly wipe the raid with the same mechanic over and over ie. People not moving with lightning markers on Sus ex, if and only if you still need your 320 weapon/accessories, outside of that I wouldn't touch these PF groups with a 50 foot pole. Just my experience with it.

It's just like vote abandon or kicking a player from a duty. People don't read, and agree to everything that just pops up on their screen, so some do not even notice that they are joining a loot master party, hence the drama during or after the runs. Others don't mind joining these kind of parties, if they are just looking for light farming (old relics), or tomes, WT etc. At least you can make plenty of players upset, following this kind of strategic, sometimes that's the most entertaining part of the whole game. I personally think, that if a player can't be bothered, wasting 2 seconds of their time and reading the PF description, they deserve being in a party that gives only the leader a mount, or is up to the mercy/courtesy of the party leader. But after all there's no specific logic to that lol

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

I personally think, that if a player can't be bothered, wasting 2 seconds of their time and reading the PF description, they deserve being in a party that gives only the leader a mount, or is up to the mercy/courtesy of the party leader.

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Agreed, especially since now the entire description is wrote right under. I could (half) understand when it was cut at the right but now it's being stupid lol

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Which basically means you're farming a 2% drop for the leader of the party, who will probably leave when he has it, if you see it drop at all.

I suppose, like the lottery, you could see it as a math tax instead of a scam.

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If you're place 4 you're farming for 4 drops regardless how many people leave in between.
If the leader leaves after his drop this doesn't change anything
It's like a waiting queue.

It's just an option between "Do I want to see X (up to 8) drops to have a 100% chance to get it." or "Do I want to see X (up to infinite) drops and have always a 12.5% chance to get it".

There are several games were such a approach works just fine, because esp. with this system you are not instructed to have the same group for the whole farm for same drop chance.


The only 'scam' groups are those saying 'Stay till everyone has their drop.' which are usually 'normal farms'.

Lootmaster parties are for selfish bullshits.

Don't join them
Don't create one

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

If you're place 4 you're farming for 4 drops regardless how many people leave in between.
If the leader leaves after his drop this doesn't change anything
It's like a waiting queue.

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an unsustainable queue that fills up more slowly as it gets longer. i would love to know how many of these parties have ever made it to 4 drops without disbanding before the drop rates were nerfed.

The chances of a party disband after the first one or 2 mount drops is almost 100%. Never saw a farm party droping more tham 1 mount before disband.

Other day a RDM got mount and said 2 runs after "I'm distracted, just holding your guys back." and left.

So...there is no way a eighty player in pf will get a mount. 0% chance.

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Still about Pfs, I don't understand when people put extreme primals CLEAR parties at minimum ilv 310 lul

That's like "I wanna be carried all the way" kinda party

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Originally Posted by Inuk9

The chances of a party disband after the first one or 2 mount drops is almost 100%. Never saw a farm party droping more tham 1 mount before disband.

Other day a RDM got mount and said 2 runs after "I'm distracted, just holding your guys back." and left.

So...there is no way a eighty player in pf will get a mount. 0% chance

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But this doenst matter in a lootmaster group.

With that system people are good to leave after getting their drop.

Tbf this system gets better with higher drop rate and contents with higher fluctuation of players than with low rate drops.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

But this doenst matter in a lootmaster group.

With that system people are good to leave after getting their drop.

Tbf this system gets better with higher drop rate and contents with higher fluctuation of players than with low rate drops.

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You are assuming the party keeps going after people leave, that's not the case. I've never seen a LM going 24/7 as you suggest.

As it is right now LM is a scam and nothing but a scam.

Huh, it's interesting to me that people are so adverse to this. I've joined several of these types of parties and had great experiences. Usually the party leader sticks around for at least an hour or two (even after getting it), and then passes the lead off to the next person if they have to go and the party is continuing on. As long as people are clear, polite, and outline the order/structure clearly I don't see the problem.

Honestly, I prefer lootmaster/join order PFs because I've joined greed-off loot drop parties before and been at it for 4+ hours with all kinds of new people joining who haven't been there the whole time who then get mounts- leaving me empty handed after hours of grinding. I mean, don't get me wrong I'm sure there are jerks out there who use lootmaster as a scam, but I haven't encountered them yet. All around, I prefer knowing when I'm up next to get a mount.

I'm VERY sure most of the recent lootmaster mount farms for the current Stormblood extreme primals are people who probably got a benefit from previously nerfed drop rates like Ravana, Bismarck, Thordan, etc (2 years), or even Ponies (3+ years) where they drop like candy.

Pretty much they have no clue what it's like to farm a primal with no nerfed drop rates, and stay up in XPF wondering why everyone joins farm parties instead.

Ok so I am not the only one who finds this stupid and I am guessing most of the time its probably 3-4 people that are in the same LS/FC together and are creating these parties to insure they can get a mount and then disband the party.

This was never a thing on Balmung before cross party finder so not sure if it came from another server or if people are deciding to use this scummy tactic because your not dealing with people on your server only.