Can we fix Titan-Egi?

Hello Square-Enix,

I've been a long time Summoner player, playing since 1.0, and as a Summoner since the release of A Realm Reborn.

With the release of Stormblood, Titan-Egi has gotten quite a bit weaker. One of the draws that pull me towards Summoner is the ability to summon a tanking pet and fight thing that would normally destroy me. Since Heavensward, I have noticed that Titan-Egi has not really grown in strength through 60 as the normal world enemies that I face. With the release of Stormblood, I have lost the ability to effectively heal Titan-Egi.

Titan-Egi has as much HP as say a Warrior or a Dark Knight, but doesn't have the armor. To test this, I went to outside of Castrum Oriens to test on Sapria to how well Titan-Egi did enemies versus other tank jobs. The results saddened me really.

At level 60, Titan-Egi has about 35,000 HP, comparable to Warrior and Dark Knight, and more than Paladin. Fighting the Sapria outside of Castrum Oriens, I noticed that Titan-Egi was taking about 1400-1500 points of damage per normal hit. Compared to Dark Knight and Warrior (with no stance), they were taking about 900-1000 points of damage. Thus, Titan-Egi is taking about 50% more damage than the other tanking jobs. So, Titan-Egi is about the equivalent of a same level tank wearing level 1 gear.

What compounds this is the Summoner's inability to keep Titan-Egi alive. With the loss of Sustain, the only option is Physick, which heals for 400-500 HP. No, I'm not missing a zero there. Compared to the 4000-5000 HP that SCH can heal in a single cast. And if Titan-Egi dies, the enemy that the SMN is fighting will undoubtedly kill said Summoner.

To put simply, the ability for Summoner to solo as in 2.0 has been greatly impaired. I feel that something must be done to improve this situation. I would suggest the following:

1) Giving Titan provoke. If the Summoner needs to resummon Titan, at least Titan can regain hate before the enemies kills the user.

2) Give Titan-Egi a trait that will allow it to take more Healing, as a sort of a permanent Convalescent effect. This will allow the Summoner to have an easier time of keeping the Titan-Egi alive.

3) Have the defense of Titan-Egi scale a bit better. Again, this is something that I noticed with Heavensward, but having Titan's defense scale a bit more to be similar to the other tank jobs would help it keep alive long enough for the Summoner to finish the enemy.

I hope that Titan-Egi would be improved so that Summoner can solo things a bit easier like before.

Given they removed sustain, I'm surprised they didn't give Titan Egi a self sustain.... It doesn't help if your solo tank Egi can't do its job.

Summoner in general needs to be fixed. Dropping the job because it's no longer fun to play. Without ability to solo and great AOE what's left of SMN? Bahamut alone will not cut it.

Either bringing back Sustain, either as the spell itself or as a spell exclusive to Summon II, or tweak Physick for Summoners so that it's Intelligence-based rather than Mind-based and voila, problem solved.

As for the other stuff about Summoner, it feels a lot better when you stop and realize that nearly every DPS got their heavier AoE effects nerfed.

I had thought of solution 2 as well, though I think devs might see an imbalance if anyone can heal Titan (or any other pet) with such a trait. I like the idea for solo, but might be too strong for group.

Although, you don't use Titan too much in group content, and solo content probably doesn't see as much use of Garuda or Ifrit, so maybe it could be that Titan is the only one that needs such a buff.

Just give us back Sustain...there was zero (good) reason to take it away unless they didn't want us to be able to solo stuff with Titan-Egi. IF that was the (hidden) reason to remove Sustain, then they should have removed Titan-Egi too as he is useless without it.

I don't see the point of having titan egi right now. If it was me I'll make it a DPS egi rather than a Tank one. Cause it would be nice if it was more useful in raid and dungeons

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Originally Posted by Mature

I don't see the point of having titan egi right now. If it was me I'll make it a DPS egi rather than a Tank one. Cause it would be nice if it was more useful in raid and dungeons

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That wouldn't help summoner becuase theres already 2 dps egi, and there'd be no point in a third. Summoner was fun to solo with becuase of titan egi and now he sucks and dies right away. THAT is what needs fixing.

We need Sustain back. Even Scholars took a hit with it as we need our fairy up at all times more than ever with our potency per MP loss.

But, Titan-Egi/Topaz Carbuncle feels like a useless addition if their defense is tjing garbage.

There seems to be a few things that were removed without thought.

The other one that comes to mind: Miasma II
You can see that there is now a Miasma III, but I don't see how that should be III, when Miasma II has been vanished.

As a SMN main on my main I was broken when I found out about the nerfs and it struck a chord when I saw what happened to Titan-Egi. As others have said, Sustain did NOT need to be removed.

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Originally Posted by DieselPower

There seems to be a few things that were removed without thought.

The other one that comes to mind: Miasma II
You can see that there is now a Miasma III, but I don't see how that should be III, when Miasma II has been vanished.

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ya.. and Miasma IIi (THREE) got the same atk potencial like Miasma I (ONE!) - 40... wich is sooo ridicolous and shamefull... the 30secs duration wont cut it.. I dont want to fight trash mobs over 30secs with a weak Titan-Egi, over and over <-<

Our dear yellow chicken nugget doest not deserve such a treatment. He was only useful in solo fights anyway and now you have taken that away too. I find myself summoning the other egis more and more in solo stuff since Titan cant even hold aggro often and if he dies I am hit anyway..so why even summon him if Garuda or Ifrit will kill the monster faster thus less LP loss for us..

I hope one day that Yoshida and his battle team can give us a good reason of why they took sustain away..I mean we are a pet job and they took two of the three pet skills away, and the one that is still there is kinda useless without sustain since we dont have other good healing skills..and devotion is just bad too..so we are even less of a pet job.

Its kinda sad that you introduced another solo title for the PotD, yet I cant see how a summoner should be even able to do this solo..

I would so love to get Sustain back again too.

Or else give Titan-egi a combat passive HP regen.

Because it's kind pointless to have a tank egi that cannot acts as tank properly.

And to top it all, chocoboes completly ignore egis and never heals them.

Be nice if they also made ruin iv able to be used all the time. Sch got broil II whm stone 4 that they can use all the time. Don't know why they messed with skills so much they was just fine how they where.

Fully support.

It is bizarre that we have a useless heal and a tank pet that can't tank. One or both of those things need to change - so I would lean to SMN physic off of int as the best solution. They have the SCH abilities off of mind so I don't think there is a technical limitation.

Try doing your level 50 SMN quest with Titan-Egi tanking... after 4.0, it's a pain. titan died pretty quick, then I just spammed instant casts and ran around kiting the bastard as I had no tank anymore... the fight took way longer than it should have.

They mentioned the issue in the last Live letter, so hopefully it will come back in some form.

However that specific Q&A made me laugh:

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Q11. Sustain was very useful in some content. I would like to know why this was removed.

A11. We had it set so that pets would take reduced damage from enemies and we figured it wouldn’t be an issue as long as players don’t place the pets directly in front of the enemy. However, there were some players that used it quite a lot, so we would like to discuss some more with the dev. team.

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I would be glad to know how I was supposed to use Titan-Egi without placing it directly in front of the enemy :p

/signed and ten letters as well!

May as well remove titan without sustain to keep it alive and give us another type of dps epi to replace it or give us our sustain back

I vote Sustain be brought back in as a SMN exclusive skill and replace Tri-Bind. Seriously, what moron has ever used that spell more than once just to see what it looked like?