WAR... just to linear

I really can't stance dance, so that is off the table, often no reason to be out of defiance in 4 mans for boss fights. Building gauge is priority so never do BB combo. Onslaught being 20 and upheaval being 20 gauge are used so rarely (I really think 10 cost for both would put them on the table for me).
I know Yoshi P said tanks are going to stay tanks, but I think I'm off the tank train... Sad I used to love tanking, it's become to bleh. :(

Stance dancing is an attempt to turn a tank into a DPS, so yeah... making that a non-viable tactic actually is a part of making them more of a tank. You might not like them being pushed more to the tanky side of things, but that is a design goal achieved... so Yoshi-P delivered.

Delivering something by making the skill level only one story and little chance to go beyond, not my idea of achieved. It's just doesn't feel rewarding.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Stance dancing is an attempt to turn a tank into a DPS, so yeah... making that a non-viable tactic actually is a part of making them more of a tank. You might not like them being pushed more to the tanky side of things, but that is a design goal achieved... so Yoshi-P delivered.

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Then why give us Inner Release? Why give us Deliverance at all?

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Originally Posted by Pyrali

Then why give us Inner Release? Why give us Deliverance at all?

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And more: Why give tanks damage skills at all?

They can just ask a DPS to help them with solo stuff or we can develop a queue system for tanks that want to do quests or similar content so they can find DPS to help them with it more easily. It's been a long-standing success for dungeons.

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Then why give us Inner Release? Why give us Deliverance at all?

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When you're not tanking in a raid, you can do DPS. That's what SE wants you to do with Deliverance. You might not like it, but that's how SE sees the game at the moment.

Are we playing the same Tank? Because I stance dance just fine. You can't do it on the fly exactly like before, but it only takes half of whatever your current Beast Gauge is. So usually I'll throw out IB to get defense buff which will drop me down to low amount so when I switch stances it doesn't penalize me as badly. Also the other techs you use those in between you building up to use fell cleave and decimate. Since they have a cooldowns by the time those are ready I can already throw out another one of my main techs. Which with Advanced Infuriate anytime I use those drops the cooldown. The only thing I don't like is the fact I can't use flash anymore. Made pulling groups super easy mode and didn't have to burn as much TP.

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Stance dancing is an attempt to turn a tank into a DPS, so yeah... making that a non-viable tactic actually is a part of making them more of a tank. You might not like them being pushed more to the tanky side of things, but that is a design goal achieved... so Yoshi-P delivered.

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Tanks 5.0:

- All weaponskills replaced with "I Am a Wall", which inflicts high AoE enmity while channeled but prevents AAs.

Happy?

I actually like that stance dancing requires more thought and planning than before. I'm finding myself paying attention to how I go about building and using gauge, such as debating if I should pop Upheaval to burn my last 20 gauge before swapping, or do a Storm's Path combo to hit 50 and pop an Inner Beast before swapping, knowing that by doing so I'm gaining a bit of defense in Deliverance, but delaying my next Fell Cleave or Decimate. Warrior, as much as I love it (even back at 2.0 launch), has always felt too easy to be good with. Now it feels like I need to make far more deliberate choices and not just look forward to when I can let loose with Deliverance.

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Are we playing the same Tank? Because I stance dance just fine. You can't do it on the fly exactly like before, but it only takes half of whatever your current Beast Gauge is. So usually I'll throw out IB to get defense buff which will drop me down to low amount so when I switch stances it doesn't penalize me as badly.

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It does penalize you because you're losing 200 potency when you use Inner Beast instead of Fell Cleave. Vice versa the same thing happens. If you spend your gauge in Deliverance, you need to rebuild the gauge in Defiance, which is also a DPS loss.

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Stance dancing is an attempt to turn a tank into a DPS, so yeah... making that a non-viable tactic actually is a part of making them more of a tank. You might not like them being pushed more to the tanky side of things, but that is a design goal achieved... so Yoshi-P delivered.

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Yeah, giving us 6 fell cleaves and more damage while also taking away most of our sustain was a great way of making us "More tanky". Nice delivery. Already seeing double paladin Susano runs.

Xeno had a good video on warrior at 70. I recommend people watch it as it highlights negatives and positives to the class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOKdznrs8zs

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Tanks 5.0:

- All weaponskills replaced with "I Am a Wall", which inflicts high AoE enmity while channeled but prevents AAs.

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Well, PLDs have that skill already, so what would make a WAR different? Ahhhh, see what I did there ;)

When yoshi said tank population won't drop he was not referring to the blueicondpses, he want's more sefaty > dps tanks.

I'm all for tanks being tanks, but an increase boost in enmity would be nice in tank stance. Some of the dps can just rip hate away. Even worse when everyone focuses on a different enemy. Can't spam fast enough.

In Defiance, Upheaval deals more damage than IB (damage increases with current HP & HP increasing effects i.e. the +20% from Defiance & Thrill of Battle) so if you're not bothering with stance swapping (or you don't need the gauge for IB), use it whenever it's ready.

Stance dancing when you're main tanking is still a thing if you do it right. With Inner Release & Infuriate, you can switch from Defiance to Deliverance, Fell Cleave x4 then switch back to Defiance. If you don't have those cooldowns ready, dump your gauge then switch OR just switch and deal with the loss of a few stacks. If you line up a bad swap with Maim + Storms path, you'll fill back most of what you drained in 2 global cooldowns.

I like what the video had to say, https://youtu.be/5gNnSvkyszk?t=4m54s, thanks for thenlinl Gooner. Still think Onslaught should be 10. And infuriate should be able to be used outside of combat, just make it decay after 20 sec like 10 every 5 sec. This video makes me feel like SE is trying to move warrior away from having that solid opener and be more mid late range fight. Which i guess would make sense, but then blood bath back would give me that feel more!