"Default Job Gear" option in Dungeons / Raids

Hi, for the hardcore FF players, the gear represents the job.

Can you please offer an option to override glamour in dungeons so the players seen are their job gear sets and not their glamours?

This would be tremendously helpful in raid content, and be really nice for old-school FF players who want the game to really feel like a Final Fantasy experience.

If an option like this would kill the objections to the various glamour-related requests people make and get shouted down for on this forum, I'd be all for it. More options are a good thing, even if it's the option not too see other people's options.

I'm curious as to how this would be helpful in raids?

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Originally Posted by Pence

I'm curious as to how this would be helpful in raids?

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Quick reaction to find the tank for tank swaps without going through the list, quick click on the character.

Also in instances of finding a white mage when groups are split, faster to see them than to read their name above and look back down. For a lot of times with streaming, you disable the full names so you have to manually go through the list.

Is it a make-or-break deal? No of course not, but I think it's more important to focus on easy identification and just lore-based playing. A lot of people get angry about the glamour for no reason and this seems to be a way to make everyone happy.

Just mark your tanks and healers then?

I suppose it would be okay to add something like this if the demand is high enough.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

No of course not, but I think it's more important to focus on easy identification and just lore-based playing.

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Well, if ease of identification is a concern, one of the first things you'd have to do is to disable Lalafells and display Hyurs or something taller in their stead. It's very easy to lose sight of Lalafell due to their size and what armor they wear is less apparent than on a taller race. The same could be said about Au Ra below the 50% line in the height slider to some degree.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well, if ease of identification is a concern, one of the first things you'd have to do is to disable Lalafells and display Hyurs or something taller in their stead. It's very easy to lose sight of Lalafell due to their size and what armor they wear is less apparent than on a taller race. The same could be said about Au Ra below the 50% line in the height slider to some degree.

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My whole static is like this. Our tallest members are our bard (miqo'te woman somewhere around 50%) and our WAR (100% auri woman). Sakura here is 0%.

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Originally Posted by Shyle

Just mark your tanks and healers then?

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I don't want this merely seen simply from the raid perspective, however. Why mark when it can be automatically be seen? But that's only half of the issue, it's what this game was built on: the series.

Some of us are old school hardcore Final Fantasy fans. Raiding is really not the primary focus, merely a perk and something helpful.

In FF1, FF3, FF4, FF5, Tactics series, and even parts of FF9 were all job based. The appearance to feel more like a Final Fantasy and less like a standard MMO gives a better feeling through an option to do so.

To also clarify, this isn't "rawr rawr rawr glamour bad" it's just, hey why not a single button you can choose to click in the options to default all jobs to their job gear.

I don't really see how this feature will help during more hectic scenarios. Gear is still gear. Marks. name plates, animations, how they are carrying their weapon, etc are better means to recognize a certain party member.

You mentioned a Tank swap as a situation where it would benefit you, if they would be shown in their Job Gear set. I personally study the mechanics of the raids, so that i know when the tank swaps or adds phase will be happening. Prior to that, i look for my tanking buddy based on his/her name plate. Next to that, when a tank swap is supposed to take place, your fellow tank should know when it happens as well, so that (s)he can can prepare for the actual swap.

In light of that, i don't really see the benefit of the feature you're requesting.

So, personally, i'll have to agree with Shyle:

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Originally Posted by Shyle

Just mark your tanks and healers then?

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Marking key party members is the fastest way to see where they are.

I wouldn't mind an option to turn off horrible glamours. So many people have NO idea how to color coordinate their character with their gear and break immersion everytime I see them. An option to default people would be fine be me.

I mean on gamepad all i need to do is just hit the up and down button on the directional buttons to click on my healer or tank.

Or they can add a shield/sword/cross next to their names in instanced content.

I feel like nobody is reading the whole "job appearance and lore because this is a Final Fantasy game" aspect of this.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I feel like nobody is reading the whole "job appearance and lore because this is a Final Fantasy game" aspect of this.

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Maybe because its also an mmo and thus some QoLs will trump the game's lore.

If I am to understand this, this will just be on your client side correct? If it is not checked on my side, then I still see the glamours? If that is the case, I would be fine with it. Have fun seeing the hideous armor designs clearly made for females on male casters though.

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Originally Posted by Ferrasper

If I am to understand this, this will just be on your client side correct? If it is not checked on my side, then I still see the glamours? If that is the case, I would be fine with it. Have fun seeing the hideous armor designs clearly made for females on male casters though.

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I was thinking he'd enjoy the piece-mail effect most raiders get when they don't glamour. Min/maxing comes with the downside of not looking good without glamour.

Wouldn't it be simpler to have people's current job symbols by their name or something?

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I feel like nobody is reading the whole "job appearance and lore because this is a Final Fantasy game" aspect of this.

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I think the argument against that is this being an MMO with glamour options is that most players have no desire to resemble eachother nor have a bunch of identical looking characters running around.

But, I'm genuinely confused as to how seeing nothing but artifact gear on players would visually aid a player in and of itself.

I mean, imagine if your party consisted of a DRK, NIN, DRG, and AST. That's a lot of black, and you'd be hard pressed to make those snap visual judgements you think would be easier based on gear unless you can quickly parse other details....which sort of defeats the point of this being a benefit in combat.

Do other player's vanities bother people that much? What about lowbie players that can't use vanity?

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

Do other player's vanities bother people that much? What about lowbie players that can't use vanity?

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I definitely don't want to eliminate glamours and vanity.

I do want to emphasize option. I would think this can be done client side, too. The gear even at low level does look pretty silly, but so does a Dark Knight running around with a bikini on. Should they be able to? Absolutely.

Still, the AF gear is so heavily underminded that the gear is available for less than an hour before a cheap-look tome gear replaces it. The devs put a lot of work into that gear, and old-school FF fans love that nostalgia just like nearly every boss they throw in this game.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

I feel like nobody is reading the whole "job appearance and lore because this is a Final Fantasy game" aspect of this.

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Well... because following that argument you'd also have to disable random jumping for everyone and display everyone with lore appropriate names and... uh... prevent just about anything else that could be considered lore-breaking or un-immersive. Your own name would have to be changed to something more Highlander appropriate.

Truth be told, you'd even have to create a chat filter that transforms messages, as the way we as players talk is a very far shot from the way NPCs commonly do. It's typically not at all lore appropriate.

If you take the argument seriously, it leads to rather funny results.

It can be like in PvP, changing the names in PLD, WHM, MNK and so on.
Or add the job icon to their normal names

Gear alone don't help as identificator, because most time the battle is too zoomed out to see gear details of every party member.

This is definitely possible. SE did it for XI; in XI you have the option to see everyone in base RSE.

I would love this option. As cute as you might think being naked with nothing but a moogle or chocobo head is, it's not something I enjoy seeing. You're free to wear what you wish, of course, but I'd also like to be equally free to hide it.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

This is definitely possible. SE did it for XI; in XI you have the option to see everyone in base RSE.

I would love this option. You're free to wear what you wish, of course, but I'd also like to be equally free to hide it.

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Exactly, people get to see what they want to see.

Why are you so busy looking at peoples glamour in a raid? O_o

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

I wouldn't mind an option to turn off horrible glamours. So many people have NO idea how to color coordinate their character with their gear and break immersion everytime I see them. An option to default people would be fine be me.

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Or people like what they like? I much rather focus on these "hardcore" mechanics in such
instead of having a meltdown seeing a Chocobo head facin' Susano...Susano might actually find it amusing lol.

Weapons are plenty visible enough that if you want visual identification, that's all that's necessary.

Sorry, but this request really has no validity to it. The "benefits" you list in favor are not really beneficial in any way.

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Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora

Hi, for the hardcore FF players, the gear represents the job.

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I don't see the point unless you're trying to minimize the GPU load. In one other game there is the option to "turn off all players but yourself's gear" so they all look like they're wearing single-colored robes. Usually the feature was invoked during raids/field-bosses because the actual processing requirements on the CPU and GPU would bring the game to a grinding halt.

In you have an 8-man run or a 24-main raid, the "stream" compromise would be to use the level 50 relic gear appearance so that they can be identified visually. But as for improving a raid experience, I don't think it does.

eg "During duties show non-party players in relic gear only" (Lowers GPU memory requirements during Duties/Raids/Trials), and "During field exploration, show non-party players in relic gear only" (Lowers GPU memory requirements during FATE's and Hunts), and then in character settings, also have "Show (Own|Party|Other PC|Friends) in Relic gear only"

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Well... because following that argument you'd also have to disable random jumping for everyone and display everyone with lore appropriate names and... uh... prevent just about anything else that could be considered lore-breaking or un-immersive. Your own name would have to be changed to something more Highlander appropriate.

Truth be told, you'd even have to create a chat filter that transforms messages, as the way we as players talk is a very far shot from the way NPCs commonly do. It's typically not at all lore appropriate.

If you take the argument seriously, it leads to rather funny results.

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I don't think that was the point of his argument.

It would be nice if the names had an enforced naming scheme, but we would just run out of names pretty darn quick. Look how quickly the bots managed to do that with the RNG names.

Then there is also the problem of having actual "family names" that repeat but the players having no relation.

With MMORPG's you basically have two options:
- Let everyone create their own names, to hell with the lore
- Enforce the Lore, and explain what the name they've randomly/pseudo-randomly selected means and if they agree with it.

Just about every game goes for the first option because players don't like to follow role-playing rules.

I don't even see how this is an issue. If you need to select a tank, it's in the party / alliance list. If you need to heal someone, their HP bars are there.

This request would make sense...

If all tanks did not share gear.

If all healers did not share gear.

If all casters did not share gear.

If the ranged physical did not share gear.

Also maybe it's a controller thing but when I play tank and or healer, I use the dpad to cycle through party members so I'm looking at their job symbols in the list.

Though, I can get behind what Lukha is saying. If it gets people to shut up and let people glam what they want without "but it ruins my immersion to see a black mage wear a single plate of armor", then sure go ahead and have a vote up.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

If an option like this would kill the objections to the various glamour-related requests people make and get shouted down for on this forum, I'd be all for it. More options are a good thing, even if it's the option not too see other people's options.

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This is why I would support this option, too.

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Originally Posted by HyperSMB

I wouldn't mind an option to turn off horrible glamours. So many people have NO idea how to color coordinate their character with their gear and break immersion everytime I see them. An option to default people would be fine be me.

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As an aside, thanks for the guffaws. I choked up laughing, thinking of a "Fashion Police" toggle :)

I want my toon to look the way I want her to look, not the way you want her to look.

If you don't like how I look, kick me from your groups, please. I'd rather not be around such people anyway.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

It would be nice if the names had an enforced naming scheme, but we would just run out of names pretty darn quick. Look how quickly the bots managed to do that with the RNG names.

Then there is also the problem of having actual "family names" that repeat but the players having no relation.

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Well if you're a "Seeker of the Sun" Mi'qote that is easy.
Male: your name is Tia if you have been 'socially other otherwise castrated'. Nunh if not.
Female: your name is the first name of the male that is sleeping with you and all of his other sisters, whether or not you even like him, because you don't get to choose that.

There's a reason I'm a moonwalker. Those sunwalkers are messed up in the head freaks in the lore...

Now... do you really want them to enforce lore on us... can you imagine the weirdness of all of the male players on catboys in this game logging in to find themselves with the surname of '[a certain part]-less' ? Because they are ALL Tia's. Operating a harem of some 40-100 catgirls is a fulltime job... That's why you run across so few Nunhs among the NPC sunwalkers... you're there, servicing... and hoping nobody managed to sneak a boy out some 20 years back before the male you killed off managed to snip him...

And that's not to mention the new 'task' all the female 'Seeker of the Sun' characters would be stuck with... That Nunh of yours killed to get access, and he's not letting you run off anytime soon now...

Yeah... let's just keep lore where it belongs: something for the RPers and the Devs who watch too much of the anime sold in the back in the shop... and the rest of us will pretend the above lore doesn't actually exist... :)

I strongly suspect most people who want 'lore' more enforced have not read the actual lore... If they had, we cat-people would be the rarest race played, not the most common one. That, or you would all be Keepers of the Moon like me. :) It kind of reminds me of when I was in WoW, and all these blood elf players would talk about how they love lore, and then describe their toons as heroic and emo and so on... and I would point out that in lore; they survive by devouring the souls of captives, and live in an authoritarian regime that uses mind magic and 'forced disappearances' to deal with anyone who questions the regime.

Cat people in FFXIV have some seriously freaky lore... and it is even written into a strict naming convention the Keepers of the Sun live under - which hits DIRECTLY to your desire... and would in fact effect your very character.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

Female: your name is the first name of the male that is sleeping with you and all of his other sisters, whether or not you even like him, because you don't get to choose that.

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As an aside... this isn't true. As per naming conventions post: "A female first name will always begin with the letter representing her tribe, followed by an apostrophe, and then her given name. Her last name is the first name of the tribe’s breeding male who sired her."

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Originally Posted by Naunet

As an aside... this isn't true. As per naming conventions post: "A female first name will always begin with the letter representing her tribe, followed by an apostrophe, and then her given name. Her last name is the first name of the tribe’s breeding male who sired her."

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The remainder of my note stands. Just which Nunh gave her her surname is different. So it's the one her brother that is now 'breeding' with her managed to kill in order to take his place.

I'd double check this with my lore book (because online reference might be off), but it's packed away right now as I'm about to move. Either way... the naming conventions for keepers of the sun unmask some seriously perverted lore...

If it's a client-side change, why not? Some people might find it useful for their immersion experience. And hey, if it helps to work against some of the role gear glamour argument Yoshi-P gave before, I'm all for it. Having the job icon besides the name sounds like a (imo) good QoL upgrade as well. The two suggestions doesn't have to be mutually exclusive though.

I would like to turn this on its head and ask for an automatic glamour option which allows our gear to take on our default job gear appearance without having to own the job gear and glamour prism it.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

The remainder of my note stands. Just which Nunh gave her her surname is different. So it's the one her brother that is now 'breeding' with her managed to kill in order to take his place.

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I'm honestly not sure I understand what you're saying here. Female Seeker surnames are the name of their father. Not brother. xD No killing involved...

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Originally Posted by SokiYagami

If it's a client-side change, why not? Some people might find it useful for their immersion experience. And hey, if it helps to work against some of the role gear glamour argument Yoshi-P gave before, I'm all for it. Having the job icon besides the name sounds like a (imo) good QoL upgrade as well. The two suggestions doesn't have to be mutually exclusive though.

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I have to agree. There's quite literally nothing that needs to be done to the servers for this to happen. "If job=RDM, gear=RDM-DEFAULT"

Also, how did this thread get Kellyanne Conway'd into Seeker of the Sun naming?