Suggestion: Make Kudzu Robe of Crafting/Coat of Gathering wearable on all classes

I main a Xaela, and I want nothing more than to be able to dress like my tribe members on all of my classes; a sentiment I'm sure is shared by many other Xaela who finally get to see their tribe represented in the game. Unfortunately, the only dyeable versions of the robes the Xaela wear are locked to DotH with fur and DotL without fur (Kudzu Robe of Crafting and Kudzu Coat of Gathering respectively). My request is to make those wearable by all classes so that myself and my fellow Xaela can wear the garb of their tribe on any class. It doesn't seem like it would be a terribly hard thing to implement, given that most pre-60 tradecraft gear is set to All Classes already, and it would bring a lot of joy to many Xaela who are excited as I am to finally see their tribes represented in-game.

Also, as a Qestir, I would love to see a version of their mask that can be worn by all classes, as the only correct, dyeable version in the game right now is locked to Ranged Physical DPS only.

Yeah, this is a change they made for all of Stormblood's levelling crafting/gathering sets and it makes no sense to me. It isn't impacting on DoL/DoH negatively in any way if someone chooses to glamour those items, and to be blunt, if you've hit level 61-70 and you still wish to use DoL/DoH gear in dungeons? You're either trolling, or this game flat out isn't for you.

I really hope they revert this change.

TBH, only artifact sets should be restricted to class (for glamour purposes).

If it's not possible to make this wearable by all classes, at least make a level 1 version for glamour purposes only.

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Originally Posted by Clawbriar

Yeah, this is a change they made for all of Stormblood's levelling crafting/gathering sets and it makes no sense to me. It isn't impacting on DoL/DoH negatively in any way if someone chooses to glamour those items, and to be blunt, if you've hit level 61-70 and you still wish to use DoL/DoH gear in dungeons? You're either trolling, or this game flat out isn't for you.

I really hope they revert this change.

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This isn't a change made in Stormblood, though. The ironworks and carbonweave sets were both tied to their respective roles (DoH/L), Stormblood is just continuing this trend.
The most likely reason for this, is that they don't want players to spiritbong DoH/L gear through killing mobs.

But yes, I do think they should at least make lvl 1 glamour versions of the Kudzu sets.

i think Bardam's Mettle gears for DoW / DoM look like Xaela clothings

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Originally Posted by Yuella

i think Bardam's Mettle gears for DoW / DoM look like Xaela clothings

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They are Xaela clothing, but unfortunately, they can't be dyed while the gathering and crafting gear can be.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

TBH, only artifact sets should be restricted to class (for glamour purposes).

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This. They should open glamours up more. What does it matter if my gear looks like i cant wear it? Hopefully the changes theyve discussed will help.

I hope the eventual glamour log they're going to have to make will accommodate a lot more flexibility to prevent things like this spoiling our fun (including at least the outdated DoH AF clothing for battle classes, because I need me some combat chefs). They really shouldn't have to handhold us to prevent a tiny minority from wearing stupid gear in battle, at the cost of reducing the available glamour options for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

I hope the eventual glamour log they're going to have to make will accommodate a lot more flexibility to prevent things like this spoiling our fun (including at least the outdated DoH AF clothing for battle classes, because I need me some combat chefs).

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I agree with the first part, that there should be a lot more flexibility than there is now. But I'm strongly against including AF in that request (and there's no gear in the game that's outdated, especially when you're talking about glamour). AF needs to stay class/job locked. There would be lots of extra flexibility offered by making everything else that's not AF open to glamour on any class/job. Why can't people settle for requesting that rather than requesting that we remove all trace of identity from the individual classes?

What they need to do, is remove class restrictions on Glamour ENTIRELY. Their single paper-thin excuse long ago (tanks need to look like tanks! healers need to look like healers! or people will get confuuuuused!) became BS the moment they added glamourable bikinis.

Class restrictions makes glamour more difficult for players, likely makes implementing them more complex to program, and just generally has no redeeming value whatsoever. Get rid of them!

Redirected to this thread as I currently hold this sentiment, playing as Himaa and not being able to wear the tribe gear is depressing, so I support OP

Also, let's not forget our wonderful friend Lost Allagan...a design based off a design from a contest for tank gear...now giving us tank themed gear for every job lol

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

AF needs to stay class/job locked.

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I agree with you on battle-classes but not with DoH.
The DoH sets are so nice but since I'm using an omni set most of the time and need to pentameld, I never bother making them. Besides the tools, there was nothing to distinguish a Culinarian from a Weaver in HW and there is nothing to distinguish us in SB. Crafters all look the same no matter what class they are, and unless the system becomes more flexible, we will always look the same.
It's a huge waste of resources designing lovely, class-specific gearsets that hardly anybody is able to use. That's why I support making an exception for DoH (and possibly DoL). I'd like to look more individual, and I'd like to get some use out of the AF crafting sets and see other people using them, too.

I also support the OP, it's a real shame the Kudzu gathering and crafting sets are locked.

All they need to do is to keep the restriction on battle classes actually equipping the gear, but remove the restriction to glamour it.

That way they avoid people spiritbonding DOL/DOH gear on battle classes while at the same time letting people glamour them. Boom problem solved!

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Originally Posted by Solarra

I agree with you on battle-classes but not with DoH.
The DoH sets are so nice but since I'm using an omni set most of the time and need to pentameld, I never bother making them.

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To me, the uniqueness of the AF sets for DoH is every bit as important as for the DoW/DoM sets. If anything, there is even less reason for unlocking them, since although you (like most) don't bother glamouring them to a pentamelded omni set, at least it's possible without gimping your other classes. It's on DoW/DoM that acquiring multiple top end sets to glamour differently is rarely possible due to the "Unique" tag on most of them.

I'm just level 50, but am pentamelding multiple level 50 Artisan's sets to glamour as different AF sets. (I don't have all eight covered yet, but have a couple aprons and several of the pants, gloves, and shoes. And I have all of the AF pieces.) When I'm on a class I don't have an Artisan set dedicated to yet, I might either use my more generic Artisan set if doing particularly hard recipes, or wear its AF directly if making easier recipes. I know not many people bother doing it this way, but at least it's possible. And just making an extra one or two top-end pentamelded sets to glamour a couple of your favorite or most used DoH classes' AF to isn't that unreasonable.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

I also support the OP, it's a real shame the Kudzu gathering and crafting sets are locked.

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I agree here. Though I want DoH/DoL's AF sets preserved, they have a lot of other sets, including the Kudzu ones that started this thread, that could be unlocked for glamouring on any class/job. I'd like it if that were opened up.

Almost nobody does that though, makes individual sets. And what about when you leave level 50 behind? You have three class-locked sets of crafter/gatherer AF at 70 (ignoring all of the variants) and I think it would at least be fair to let us use the outdated pre-SB ones on all jobs because literally nobody is going to walk around with 33 different sets of glamour dedicated solely to crafter/gatherer exclusives. They're some of the rarest glamours in the entire game because nobody ever sees them outside of the current endgame hubs where people sit and grind scrips. I've never seen people wearing most of them. Ever. I don't even know whether there are any gender variations for the female versions because I've never seen them used.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

Almost nobody does that though, makes individual sets.

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As I said above, "I know not many people bother doing it this way, but at least it's possible." The point is that with DoW/DoM sets it's not even possible, whereas with DoH/DoL it is. (And it's only doing it for all eight classes that's unusual. Picking a favorite or two to use AF is simple.)

So there's a possible argument that unlocking DoW/DoM AF would make glamouring it on the appropriate job (along with related ones) more feasible. But that argument doesn't even apply when talking about DoH/DoL, where you can already glamour their AF without sacrificing stats to do so. So, if any AF were to be unlocked (which as I said, I'm against anyway), then DoW/DoM AF should be unlocked before DoH/DoL is. With DoW/DoM AF there would at least be a purpose for doing so, whereas for DoH/DoL, there's not.

Personally, I'm still supporting the requests that SE change the glamour system enough to allow multiple classes/jobs to use different glamour even while sharing the same gear. That would be a much better solution to the issue with lack of AF glamour, for both combat and crafting, than unlocking it is. (Technically harder, no doubt, but worth it.)

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Originally Posted by Serilda

You have three class-locked sets of crafter/gatherer AF at 70 (ignoring all of the variants)

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And even more DoW/DoM exclusives. As you reach the levels to unlock more of them, you get a wider choice in deciding which you like best. All gear is like that, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make about it. You still have the same number of classes to outfit.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

literally nobody is going to walk around with 33 different sets of glamour dedicated solely to crafter/gatherer exclusives.

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And how many do you think would use all 33 of those if they weren't exclusive? You can still only wear one outfit at any given time. In either case, people can quite reasonably get and use a few of their favorites. You wouldn't be getting access to anything you can't use now.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

I'm just level 50, but am pentamelding multiple level 50 Artisan's sets to glamour as different AF sets.

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Your inventory is going to die a horrible death if you continue with that, do not do this, it is an extreme waste of time and resources. Just level like normal using artisan's and get to the next crafted set, you're really going to hurt yourself doing it any other way.

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Originally Posted by Aniya_Estlihn

Your inventory is going to die a horrible death if you continue with that, do not do this, it is an extreme waste of time and resources. Just level like normal using artisan's and get to the next crafted set, you're really going to hurt yourself doing it any other way.

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I think he's aware of that, he just wants the other glamours. Seems to enjoy it so why stop him?

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

And how many do you think would use all 33 of those if they weren't exclusive? You can still only wear one outfit at any given time. In either case, people can quite reasonably get and use a few of their favorites. You wouldn't be getting access to anything you can't use now.

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Well, I for one would use quite a few of them. As it is I just grabbed the Weaver AF2 and glamoured it over my shared crafting set because life is too short, but I like a lot of the designs individually and at 70 I can't even satisfactorily keep doing that because of the way that the dye system works interacting with the base colours of both items. The fact that I can never see them when actually doing content and seldom see them when I'm not in an instance because nearly nobody bothers with them sort of highlights that the crafting AF sets are a strange use of resources. We're playing a game where they're taking more than 2.5 years to release one set of gear for guys alone as a Gold Saucer reward, but they can churn out 11 unique, beautiful, highly specific, barely-used crafting AF sets per expansion which can only even be equipped in field areas, Diadem and towns? Why are they doing this to themselves? Why are they doing this to us?

I respect that you are playing a very different way to me, staying in the ARR universe for years and making sets for each profession, but this is honestly so niche a requirement that I don't think it alone justifies them having made 33 (well 11, as you can only use 11 of the 33 sets in question and you're a hardcore crafter glamour user) unique sets that most players will never see at all for months at a time. I want people enjoying and using these sets, and displaying more diversity in fashion and RP than just sticking with the battle class items.

Glam log will not work due to crafting gear and selling of it. It same reason you can not sale an item you have glamored or worn. Im sure eventually there will be a dyeable dom/dow version in mean time there is the lvl 65 ver. I personally think that that they need do more craftable versions of past dungeon gear(which they have started to do) or make gear like siren sea where it is dyeable. Serilda proposeing would npt only destroy gear markets but also role identity.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

As it is I just grabbed the Weaver AF2 and glamoured it over my shared crafting set because life is too short, but I like a lot of the designs individually
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The fact that I can never see them when actually doing content

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Don't these two statements contradict each other? First you point out that you're already doing what I suggested, glamouring the Weaver AF2, and then state that you never see it while doing content. Don't you see it whenever you're weaving? That's the content that it's for.

Or do you just mean that if you have WVR AF glamoured you don't get to see GSM AF, and so on? You can always change your glamour around periodically, rotating between various looks. (Isn't that what you were planning anyway in your aim to "use quite a few of them" if it were unlocked for combat jobs?) That will give you plenty of chances to see each of them so long as you're actually using all of the classes. Or, as I mentioned earlier, you can pick up an extra shared set or two to glamour differently if you have a couple favorites, or want to dye one differently than another.

I'm really hoping SE will eventually fix the glamour system so that we can have different glamours apply when we're on different classes without needing different gear as well. That would make all AF (crafting and combat alike) far more easily glamourable. But in the meantime, you've got options for wearing it if you want to, and that's especially true for the crafting sets. The only restriction is that it be worn appropriately, i.e. while performing that class's function and not another's.

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Originally Posted by Serilda

I respect that you are playing a very different way to me, staying in the ARR universe for years and making sets for each profession, but this is honestly so niche a requirement that I don't think it alone justifies them having made 33 ... unique sets that most players will never see at all for months at a time.

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What does ARR have to do with anything? The only point I made about my level is that I'm staying at that level long enough to work on gear for it. That's true of everyone who's level 70, including yourself, so really not that small of a niche.