Won't continue playing this game if this is going to be SE's philosophy moving forward. My SMN feels so dumbed down it's unbelievable. So many spells gone just like that.
Pruning and simplification is the reason a lot of people quit playing WoW. You should be learning from Blizzard's mistake instead of doing the exact same thing.
I really dislike the simplifation of the classes
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06-21-2017, 10:57 PMImoyeI really dislike the simplifation of the classes
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06-21-2017, 10:59 PMInuk9
You are Free to leave.
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06-21-2017, 11:25 PMKaiSunstrider
FFXIV classes are no where near the level of dumbed down that current iteration of wow classes are. And I'm in agreeance with square when they say that it would be impossible to increase the difficulty and complexity of raid mechanics with the 3.X state of class design. I do notice a lot of people complaining about classes thought that aren't even 70 yet. My bard got quite interesting and moderately complex once all my kit was available. Not that summoner was all that complex besides ability bloat, but certain classes def needed some tuning.
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06-21-2017, 11:27 PMRyanRebs
You're playing SMn wrong then , cause i'm always busy on mine
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06-21-2017, 11:31 PMNanwaro
How about waiting to be max level to judge ?
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06-21-2017, 11:35 PMBrinzyYou must be busy reviving your pet. What are you doing besides Ruin spamming?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanRebs
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06-21-2017, 11:37 PMsilverlunarfox60 is just the new 50 now. all the classes after HW seemed immensely boring at 50 then when they got their 60 kit turned into new classes. They just made 60 the new 50 now with the ability pruning. The classes needed it to be sustainable at one to two hotbars. just slapping new skills at 70 would've meant a monster hotbar or 3 bars. (depending how you play, i use controller) And some of the abilities just werent used that they pruned, or could be applied differently (role actions). I would save judgement till getting the full skill sets and running them thoroughly through the paces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imoye
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06-21-2017, 11:43 PMMistakeNotClasses/jobs have to be fun to play all the way from level 1. Because if they are not fun, they will not be played and level 70 will never be reached.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverlunarfox
So, no - they should not be judged just based on level cap. -
06-21-2017, 11:53 PMsilverlunarfoxFun is subjective to the person playing the respective class. Classes do not HAVE to be fun. Fun varies per person. Some like SMN some hate it with a burning passion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistakeNot
I didnt think MCH was fun, but hey I played it and hit 60. Some abilities after 50 made me love certain classes. So yes level cap is a valid judge. Otherwise you don't know what you have since you will never use it. But thats also why I read into higher skills when choosing what to level. Like I'm picking WAR first....because I can punch someone in the face :D -
06-22-2017, 12:03 AMgumas
Like other said.... nobody hold you so you are free to leave.
Whats up with people making thread like this, you are nobody, just one from thousands player, you expect a melodramatic "please dont go, we need you here" moment?
Also sorry if you like complexity, i prefer my game simple but fun and enjoyable. -
06-22-2017, 12:48 AMSelovaQuote:
Originally Posted by MistakeNot
Yes, they should. You don't get all of the tools that makes your class function until level cap, like in all mmo's. anyone not new to mmo's doesn't expect fun and engaging combat from the beginning, it's viewed more as something to look forward to. -
06-22-2017, 12:53 AMFyceFun doesn't mean complex.Quote:
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06-22-2017, 01:02 AMMindiori
Got to love the bullying from the 'I love my games braindead, anyone who likes complexity should gtfo' crowd. I mean really! You would tell people with one hand that 'all opinions should be considered' - when it fits your easier/casual agenda, but then claim their own opinion is nonsense when it doesn't fit you? Eh. Hypocrisy must be an unknown word to some of you.
I don't like things being dumbed down either OP. It certainly is an 'opinion' but it is valid as any other. Don't feel dismissed, just because an army of entitled casuals don't agree with you.
Focusing on that last post. ''Complex doesnt mean fun'' to YOU. So with all politeness considered, stop generalizing. People are allowed to like challenge and if your opinion is going to be 'I dont care if you dont agree, feel free to leave' then why should the OP not have the same opinion vice versa? This community boggles my mind sometimes. I happen to like complexity and difficulty. I like challenge in everything, be it work/hobbies or anything I spend time on. It makes bothering at all worthwhile and whilst I accept not all people approach things that way, it would be nice if people had any concern for people of differing opinions. Instead of just wanting a game that suits them alone. -
06-22-2017, 01:36 AMDzian
To be honest even without things at 70 yet I feel the simplification has gone backwards on a lot of jobs.
Jobs where I could spend 95% of my time on one set of the xhb. I feel like I constantly having to juggle now.
My paladin for example pretty much never swapped sets unless I needed hallowed or cover but looking at the level 30 skill set I'm gonna be swapping sets so much more cos there's that much more to press.
Ninja again. I gain 1 slot on my first set of skills through the loss of mutilate but all the extra buttons means again I'm going to be swapping sets that much more again.
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06-22-2017, 02:09 AMDkDerekYeah I'm curious too. What exactly are you doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanRebs
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06-22-2017, 05:00 AMevil_befall
used to love my summoner i Always loved the dots and the fact bio 1 and 2 stacked