I really dislike the simplifation of the classes

[Imoye]

Won't continue playing this game if this is going to be SE's philosophy moving forward. My SMN feels so dumbed down it's unbelievable. So many spells gone just like that.

Pruning and simplification is the reason a lot of people quit playing WoW. You should be learning from Blizzard's mistake instead of doing the exact same thing.

[Inuk9]

You are Free to leave.

[KaiSunstrider]

FFXIV classes are no where near the level of dumbed down that current iteration of wow classes are. And I'm in agreeance with square when they say that it would be impossible to increase the difficulty and complexity of raid mechanics with the 3.X state of class design. I do notice a lot of people complaining about classes thought that aren't even 70 yet. My bard got quite interesting and moderately complex once all my kit was available. Not that summoner was all that complex besides ability bloat, but certain classes def needed some tuning.

[RyanRebs]

You're playing SMn wrong then , cause i'm always busy on mine

[Nanwaro]

How about waiting to be max level to judge ?

[Brinzy]

You're playing SMn wrong then , cause i'm always busy on mine

You must be busy reviving your pet. What are you doing besides Ruin spamming?

[silverlunarfox]

Won't continue playing this game if this is going to be SE's philosophy moving forward. My SMN feels so dumbed down it's unbelievable. So many spells gone just like that.

60 is just the new 50 now. all the classes after HW seemed immensely boring at 50 then when they got their 60 kit turned into new classes. They just made 60 the new 50 now with the ability pruning. The classes needed it to be sustainable at one to two hotbars. just slapping new skills at 70 would've meant a monster hotbar or 3 bars. (depending how you play, i use controller) And some of the abilities just werent used that they pruned, or could be applied differently (role actions). I would save judgement till getting the full skill sets and running them thoroughly through the paces.

[MistakeNot]

60 is just the new 50 now. all the classes after HW seemed immensely boring at 50 then when they got their 60 kit turned into new classes. They just made 60 the new 50 now with the ability pruning. The classes needed it to be sustainable at one to two hotbars. just slapping new skills at 70 would've meant a monster hotbar or 3 bars. (depending how you play, i use controller) And some of the abilities just werent used that they pruned, or could be applied differently (role actions). I would save judgement till getting the full skill sets and running them thoroughly through the paces.

Classes/jobs have to be fun to play all the way from level 1. Because if they are not fun, they will not be played and level 70 will never be reached.
So, no - they should not be judged just based on level cap.

[silverlunarfox]

Classes/jobs have to be fun to play all the way from level 1. Because if they are not fun, they will not be played and level 70 will never be reached.
So, no - they should not be judged just based on level cap.

Fun is subjective to the person playing the respective class. Classes do not HAVE to be fun. Fun varies per person. Some like SMN some hate it with a burning passion.

I didnt think MCH was fun, but hey I played it and hit 60. Some abilities after 50 made me love certain classes. So yes level cap is a valid judge. Otherwise you don't know what you have since you will never use it. But thats also why I read into higher skills when choosing what to level. Like I'm picking WAR first....because I can punch someone in the face

[gumas]

Like other said.... nobody hold you so you are free to leave.

Whats up with people making thread like this, you are nobody, just one from thousands player, you expect a melodramatic "please dont go, we need you here" moment?

Also sorry if you like complexity, i prefer my game simple but fun and enjoyable.