"Mayhap"

is it just me? dose this word over use in main scenario

mayhap. /10char

Well, I imagine the EN localization team doesn't actually talk like that IRL, so they keep using the few words they know without making the dialog overcomplicated (like Urianger).

Like, if you had to choose between having Urianger-tier dialog in every quest or these repeated "ye olde" words in text, I'm sure most would prefer the latter.

(and no, plain English is not an option at least for the eorzean side, maybe for other continents)

I will find out if they overuse it, anon

I thought it was funny when Gotetsu [sp] said it lol.
It just sounded so out of place for a "Japanese" dude lol.

Portend is my personal least favorite.

Pray happens a lot also.

I always thought "Succor" was one of the more overused words in the game.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Portend is my personal least favorite.

Pray happens a lot also.

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"pray return to the waking sands"

*eye twitch*

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This was the very first screenshot I ever took of FFXIV. All for the sake of making one stupid joke:

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I absolutely hate how they use thee/thou, etc, all over the place, because they use it to mean formal speech when it is actually the informal/personal when it was in use in English? Ugggh. They do overuse mayhaps, ere, must needs, pray, but I just chalk that up to the local dialect.

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Originally Posted by KaplanHomahru

mayhap

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

anon

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus_Mercy

"Succor"

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

Pray

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Mayhap thee could try another game? A different tongue may provide succor to thine ears.. Pray travel to GameStop and converse with the workers there. With the help of my comm-raids you shall receive a new game anon.

I just wish everyone didn't speak in a British accent. Especially the sailors where it's especially thick. I would love to see an Austrailian accent or a western American accent.

"Loath" was another one I kept hearing.

My favorite is the use of ever to mean always. Its use has ever felt forced.

That specific word?

Quite possibly - it's just a synonym for perhaps, which is (as I understand it) a fairly old word itself (though I don't know exactly when it took on its current form...let's be glad we don't have perhappons instead), though it has maintained popular use for longer.

Which might be the reason for the frequent use - if it sounds modern, they do tend to avoid it (and contrary to some seemingly petty opinions, they know more about older word usage and various rather esoteric references than they are being given credit for).

I use "pray" (in the context used in the game) and "mayhaps" in my own speech... And while I don't recall seeing it much ingame, I also use "solace". For example, "In spite of the fact that english is not my mother tongue, I find solace in knowing that my dialect can pass for that of a native speaker."

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Mayhap thee could try another game? A different tongue may provide succor to thine ears.. Pray travel to GameStop and converse with the workers there. With the help of my comm-raids you shall receive a new game anon.

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It should be "thou" since it is the subject of the sentence.

Also, we're all overlooking "Is aught amiss?".

IS AUGHT AMISS MILORD? PRAY TELL, MAYHAP YOU ARE WANT FOR SUCCOR

/ffxiv




-Aught=opposite of naught. The word aught means "something" but it can also mean "anything".
"Is aught amiss" means "is something wrong?"/"is anything wrong".

-Mayhap=Perhaps

-I am want for= I am in need of

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Originally Posted by MoonDream

I absolutely hate how they use thee/thou, etc, all over the place, because they use it to mean formal speech when it is actually the informal/personal when it was in use in English? Ugggh. They do overuse mayhaps, ere, must needs, pray, but I just chalk that up to the local dialect.

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Pretty sure the thee's and thou's are exclusively used by Urianger and the Primals.

~**(([MUST NEEDS]))**~
I also didn't really like a lot of stuff about the plains tribes people's speech but whatever. That ship sailed with Firaga and company.

In all seriousness, Koji Fox actually talked about this before, (paraphrasing) he explained his choice of language by comparing plain English to eating normal meals every day and the dialog in this game to having a dessert every now and then.

What Koji Fox overlooked there is that instead of having regular meals every day, now we're having desserts every day for 4 years + however long this game will last, having dessert in place of every meal is as bad if not worse than plain meals, and I really hope the people in Ilsabard or the New World at least use plain English so we can get a break of the same old dialog.

"Must needs" has always triggered my "that's not grammatically correct" part of me. It forces me to inform my brain that, yes, "must needs" is grammatically correct usage. I'm learning to cope with it.

None of those words are any more overused than their more modern equivalents would be, though. 'Pray' as a replacement for 'please', 'mayhap' for 'maybe/possibly/perhaps'. 'Anon' ('later'..ish...) you could make an argument for, but only because the way it's used isn't how people typically construct a sentence these days?

I would have liked to see the Domans written differently; if not slightly more modern, than at least a somewhat simpler form, to show that while they're fluent, it's not their native language. I can live without it, though!

I'm also deeply disappointed that (early SB spoilers)

the Garlean national anthem was in English (Even with the Japanese track on) rather than Latin, since everything else about them is so Romanesque it hurts. In my heart it's only because The Echo is translating it for us, though.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

In all seriousness, Koji Fox actually talked about this before, (paraphrasing) he explained his choice of language by comparing plain English to eating normal meals every day and the dialog in this game to having a dessert every now and then.

What Koji Fox overlooked there is that instead of having regular meals every day, now we're having desserts every day for 4 years + however long this game will last, having dessert in place of every meal is as bad if not worse than plain meals, and I really hope the people in Ilsabard or the New World at least use plain English so we can get a break of the same old dialog.

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I assume he meant in regards to XIV versus other games, instead of within XIV as a vacuum. It definitely uses a lot more quasi-Shakespearean English than most. I also don't know if that was before or after the recasts they did for 3.0, which I vaguely remember replacing some characters' American dialects.

Psssh...Skohh...Uplanders can always fill braincases with gobbie speak if elder sayings cause too many head hurtings

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Originally Posted by Lukha

I'm also deeply disappointed that (early SB spoilers)

the Garlean national anthem was in English (Even with the Japanese track on) rather than Latin, since everything else about them is so Romanesque it hurts. In my heart it's only because The Echo is translating it for us, though.

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I guess I should put my response to this behind a spoiler quote too...? Spoiler alert for fairly early Stormblood MSQ.

I'm embarrassingly fixated on the similarities between Garlemald and Ancient Rome (we all had that one ancient culture we were obsessed with as teenagers right? right??? mine was classical mythology and culture), so this kind of thing is something I've actually paid attention to too.
If you listen carefully, at the tail end of that cutscene the anthem actually stops being in English (I don't know about with the English voice track, but when running the Japanese, the subtitles also stop at this point). It's difficult to make out clearly, but it does sound like it switches to Latin or faux-Latin. I'd like to take a whack at translating it, but I can't pick out what's being said well enough to do it. It could be because I'm terrible at picking out lyrics from choir vocals, or it could be because it's faux-Latin like with Ultima - which I'm still (jokingly) salty about. I really wanted the lyrics for that. I felt so betrayed.

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I guess I should put my response to this behind a spoiler quote too...? Spoiler alert for fairly early Stormblood MSQ.

I'm embarrassingly fixated on the similarities between Garlemald and Ancient Rome (we all had that one ancient culture we were obsessed with as teenagers right? right??? mine was classical mythology and culture), so this kind of thing is something I've actually paid attention to too.
If you listen carefully, at the tail end of that cutscene the anthem actually stops being in English (I don't know about with the English voice track, but when running the Japanese, the subtitles also stop at this point). It's difficult to make out clearly, but it does sound like it switches to Latin or faux-Latin. I'd like to take a whack at translating it, but I can't pick out what's being said well enough to do it. It could be because I'm terrible at picking out lyrics from choir vocals, or it could be because it's faux-Latin like with Ultima - which I'm still (jokingly) salty about. I really wanted the lyrics for that. I felt so betrayed.

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I don't know about anyone else, but I basically exhausted my local library's stock of books on mythology, as well of that of every school I ever attended. I have a slight preference for the Greek versions, but only slight. Took Latin and Greek in highschool, too, and you have no idea how much I regret not taking it seriously at the time...

I actually hadn't picked up on that; I was trying to listen, but also paying attention to the scene itself, and I really thought it was still in Englis, just too drowned out to hear clearly. I'll have to give it another listen when the servers are back up, maybe with the music volume turned way up and everything else turned way down. Or maybe we'll get a clearer version or official lyrics released eventually, like for the other vocal songs?

I'm really glad to see I'm not the only one thrilled with the Garleans and their incredible Romaness, though.

Probably being paranoid at this point, but I wouldn't want to ruin anyone's day with a spoiler.

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Originally Posted by Anera

is it just me? dose this word over use in main scenario

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I know this thread topic is from 2017 but damn they really say mayhap in every single cutscene and almost every longer text. I played the game in german language for all the years but recently playing it in english. The voices are great and all, but that word is so overused that I sometimes skip a scene just because of that xD

I love the writing in FFXIV, but Minfilia says "Is aught amiss?" so often that I am convinced it's purposeful trolling.

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Originally Posted by Ryldaun

that word is so overused

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I think you mean it's used much and more.

Old replies, but whatever.

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Originally Posted by MoonDream

I absolutely hate how they use thee/thou, etc, all over the place, because they use it to mean formal speech when it is actually the informal/personal when it was in use in English? Ugggh. They do overuse mayhaps, ere, must needs, pray, but I just chalk that up to the local dialect.

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Depending on time period and context, it can be as simple as thou=singular, you=plural. Then it somehow became a thing to address someone with the plural form as a way of showing respect, and it slowly took over everything.

Also I don't think Urianger is doing it to be formal. It's either the simpler single/plural or perhaps it's just how he speaks to his friends. He does use "you" in the formal sense at least once, late in Shadowbringers –

to Feo Ul during the scene with Bismarck, using the formal version to address the king of the pixies. He also possibly uses it for Bismarck as well, a bit cloudier due to translation convention in effect, but Bismarck uses "thou" in reply.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

Mayhap thee could try another game?

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* thou couldst

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Originally Posted by Lukha

'Anon' ('later'..ish...)

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It means "soon".

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Originally Posted by Keyln

I just wish everyone didn't speak in a British accent. Especially the sailors where it's especially thick. I would love to see an Austrailian accent or a western American accent.

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They all have British accents because all the voice actors are British. The English voice acting studio is in London.

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Originally Posted by MoonDream

I absolutely hate how they use thee/thou, etc, all over the place, because they use it to mean formal speech when it is actually the informal/personal when it was in use in English?

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It's not being misused, though. Thee/thou is not used in-game towards people of higher rank/status by any speaker who differentiates the two. (And it's worth noting, English historically had multiple simultaneous dialectal conventions surrounding 'thou' vs. 'you'.)

Note that you spend most of ARR either as a colleague, for whom constant use of 'you' among in-game dialects that differentiate the two would be rudely stand-offish, or as a stranger under the assumed status of a mere adventurer (in essence, a mere contractor, derpy recruit, or murder-hobo).

The one that really irks me is 'all right' instead of 'alright.' And the reason is simple: because, phonetically, there's nothing different about the pronunciations of the two - you're just utilizing a dated 'olde Englishe' two-word format, yet nothing is actually gained by doing it.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

The one that really irks me is 'all right' instead of 'alright.' And the reason is simple: because, phonetically, there's nothing different about the pronunciations of the two - you're just utilizing a dated 'olde Englishe' two-word format, yet nothing is actually gained by doing it.

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Opposite side of the coin: They've lost nothing to be accurate to the period they wish to capture, wherein the two words haven't yet been contracted among the majority of local speakers.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Opposite side of the coin: They've lost nothing to be accurate to the period they wish to capture, wherein the two words haven't yet been contracted among the majority of local speakers.

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But what period? And accurate in what way? This isn't old English we're speaking. If that were true, the first thing that would need to change is that all our 's' letters would need to be altered to 'f' - that's something that only really happened at the beginning of the 19th Century.

https://faqbite.com/wp-content/uploa...-s-thumb-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

But what period? And accurate in what way? This isn't old English we're speaking. If that were true, the first thing that would need to change is that all our 's' letters would need to be altered to 'f' - that's something that only really happened at the beginning of the 19th Century.

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You realize "all right" -> "alright" was around the end of the 19th century, right? Not the 17th, as per Milton. Nor the early 19th.

And even then, I'm sure there are some obvious technical reasons there.

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

But what period? And accurate in what way? This isn't old English we're speaking. If that were true, the first thing that would need to change is that all our 's' letters would need to be altered to 'f' - that's something that only really happened at the beginning of the 19th Century.

https://faqbite.com/wp-content/uploa...-s-thumb-1.jpg

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They weren't pronounced as F's... they're not even F's, they're 'long S's, so its not even a language issue, it's a typeface issue.
It's like 'Ye Olde' is pronounced exactly the same as 'the old'. The e is silent and the Y isn't a Y, it's a thorn.

Must needs

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

You realize "all right" -> "alright" was around the end of the 19th century, right? Not the 17th, as per Milton. Nor the early 19th.

And even then, I'm sure there are some obvious technical reasons there.

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You realize that a) there are literally thousands of word changes over that same time span that this game does not use, b) Eorzea is not Earth, and - most crucially - that c) in your anal desire to score points, you're completely overlooking my primary argument: that as there is no phonetic difference between 'alright' and 'all right,' there is no benefit to employing such dated text when the words actually being spoken by the characters sound no different as a result.

This isn't some situation where you've got a drawf speaking broken, highland tongue, 'an' yeh need all tha muffed up word play that ye've got tah convey jus' how strong ah' brogue tha lad 'as' - it's drama club nonsense that seeks to (and fails) to set a mood in the most impractical manner possible. Because, again, alright and all right sound the same.

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They weren't pronounced as F's... they're not even F's, they're 'long S's, so its not even a language issue, it's a typeface issue.
It's like 'Ye Olde' is pronounced exactly the same as 'the old'. The e is silent and the Y isn't a Y, it's a thorn.

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